Discussion in 'The Adjudicators' Comments' started by Paddy Flower, Mar 21, 2010.
But yet they do..... every time. You think adjudicators would learn?
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National Finals - 2010PaddyLSCFriary GuildfordYe
Aye...I'm sure I heard Mr Wilby was at one band pre contest rehearsal...can't recall which one but it wasn't mine.
But that's different from having them in front of you on the day, cos another md will always put their own slant on it. Unless they are a robot/stepford conductor.
There's an interesting article up on 4br talking about the finish of the contest on Sunday being ridiculously late yet again. I'm not sure I agree with all of the suggested solutions, but it's something that really should change.
There's some interesting ideas there, but I'm not sure how many good ideas.
I'd be in favour of pre-drawing the contests. It goes along with most of my feelings about closed adjudication. The only reason for the box should be so that the adjudicator isn't influenced by any visual aspects of the performance. Whether he remembers who's playing number 16 or not doesn't really matter, unless we think adjudicators are corrupt, in which case we shouldn't use them. Pre-draw, start earlier, everyone knows vaguely when they'll be playing well in advance, jobs a good un.
I'd also be all in favour of fringe events - I remember when I played at Music for Youth at the Festival Hall (many years ago...) there were mini concerts going on in the foyer as well as the contest in the main hall. To be honest, unless you really like looking at the same old gadgets, shop-soiled instruments and random boxes of music all afternoon, the conference centre is a pretty dull place to wait to play.
I wouldn't want to see test pieces cut artificially short though. If one wants to significantly cut the length of the contest, perhaps cutting the number of bands would be more effective? Maybe if your area only has 6 bands competing, for example, they only send one band and have no area send more than two.
"English Champions" we like to say!
Yo Paddy. What's your odds on last years 1st Section National Champions becoming this years Championship Section National Champions?
Right. Just re-read my hastily-put-together post and realise I come across as a poor deluded fool.
What I meant to ask was, "Has a 1st Section title holder ever gone on to win Championship at the RAH?"
Of course, I would agree that it is highly unlikely that it could happen this year
Since the 1st section's only been in existence since 1992 I very much doubt it....
According to 4BR:
Sovereign, 12th in 1992 (2nd Sect Champs., 1991)
Northop, 18th in 1995
Thoresby, 17th in 2001
Good Luck - history says you're gonna need it
Don't worry mate - even if you boys don't play to your best there should still be a couple of scotchish bands propping up the bottom placings. Have a good one.
What are your odds for tomorrow Paddy?
will post before the day is out, just waiting on a few last bets in the league. If you haven't predicted in the tMP predictions comp, get it done (that'll have an effect)
Anyone can influence these odds, JOIN THE LEAGUE TODAY, see my signature for details (but basically e-mail me 10.00 worth of Paddy Pound bets along with a playing name and region BEFORE 7am tomorrow)
As promised here's Paddy's final assessment for tomorrow's showdown at the cake tin
Black Dyke - 11/5 fav (from 9/4) to be the first band since Desford '89 to do an Albert Hall hat-trick
Cory - 11/4 (9/4)
Fodens - 5/1 (11/2)
Brighouse & Rastrick - 7/1 (6/1)
Tredegar - 8/1 (12/1) too good to ignore at the moment
Faireys - 8/1 (10/1)
Rothwell Temperance - 20/1 (18/1)
Leyland - 50/1 (40/1)
Desford Colliery - 66/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 66/1 (100/1)
Redbridge Brass - 100/1 (200/1)
Co-op Funeralcare - 100/1 (66/1)
Tongwynlais Temperance - 100/1 (50/1) in answer to your question David
Flowers - 100/1
Virtuosi GUS - 150/1 (100/1)
Reg Vardy - 200/1 (250/1)
Camborne Town - 250/1 (200/1)
Whitburn - 500/1 (350/1)
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1
Aveley & Newham - 500/1
Paddy's League. Dyke - Cory - Fodens
tMP predictors. Dyke - Cory - Brighouse
4barsrest. Fodens - Dyke - Cory
Yorkshire - Evens
Wales - 6/4
North-West - 5/2
Midlands - 40/1
West - 66/1
Scotland - 66/1
L&SC - 100/1
North - 150/1
New name on the old pot - 7/2
One of the 11 previously un-decorated contenders to lift the trophy
Last time it happened - Leyland (2005)
Best chance of it happening this time - Tredegar @ 8/1
New member of the winning conductors club - 6/4
A win for someone other than: Childs Bros, Withington, Gray or Renton ('Rank' Renton as described on 4br)
Last time it happened - Russell Gray with Leyland (2005)
Best chance of it happening this time - David King with Brighouse @ 7/1
Paddy's Fantasy Brass Band League
So here we go with the results of our second major contest since the league started up.
1st. Brighouse & Rastrick - 5.80 (per Paddy Pound)
2nd. Cory - 1.23
3rd. Fairey (Geneva) - 1.00
4th. Rothwell Temperance - 0.86
5th. Leyland - 1.90
6th. Virtuosi GUS - 1.27
Which when added to the other four sections played a fortnight ago gave the result of the FIRST EVER Fantasy Brass Band League National Final as...
2nd - BrassMonkeys - 86.89 well done Di B
3rd - Dalton's Quality Tuna - 80.17 and Ex-Pat BBb
4th - London Scottish Brass - 73.15
5th - Splittingthepack - 65.92
6th - Pub Appreciation Society - 64.25 congrats groovy
but the winner and FIRST EVER Fantasy Brass Band League National Champions
with 98.02 points...
Cornets for 99's
A great win for Cornets for 99's, here's how it was done...
2.00 on Cory @ 1.23 (2.46)
2.00 on Friary @ 3.38 (6.76)
2.00 on Freckleton @ 0.81 (1.62)
2.00 on Wrexham @ 3.60 (7.20)
2.00 on Tylorstown @ 18.60 (37.20) the winning bet
2.00 on Filton @ 5.54 (11.08 )
2.00 on Sth Yks Police @ 0.61 (1.22)
2.00 on Delph @ 2.98 (5.96)
2.00 on Llwydcoed @ 3.00 (6.00)
2.00 on York RI @ 0.45 (0.90)
2.00 on Hazel Grove @ 2.89 (5.78 )
2.00 on Besses' Boys @ 2.32 (4.64)
2.00 on Rushden Town @ 3.00 (6.00)
2.00 on Upper Rhondda @ 0.60 (1.20)
which all add's up to the winning total of 98.02 points, well done to your sir!!
ALL non-qualified league members were eligible to take part in the First Section Final and our winner here scored higher than the winner from the Championship Section...
1st - davethehorny - 104.04
2nd - Rainbow Brass - 87.40 a second excellent result in a fortnight for Di
3rd - TTime Brass - 68.44
4th - 4 Bras & Vest Temperance Band - 68.07
5th - Guinness Users Temperance Social Band - 59.40
6th - 2barsrest - 54.83 and a solid result from wilky
An impressive start to fantasy banding for davethehorny, here's how it was won...
3.00 on Cory @ 1.23 (3.69)
1.00 on Faireys @ 1.00
3.00 on Freckleton @ 0.81 (2.43)
2.00 on Bournemouth @ 0.23 (0.46)
2.00 on Tylorstown @ 18.60 (37.20) the winning bet (again)
3.00 on Filton @ 5.54 (16.62)
2.00 on Knottingley @ 0.62 (1.24)
2.00 on Delph @ 2.98 (5.96)
2.00 on Sidmouth @ 7.20 (14.40)
1.00 on Llwydcoed @ 3.00
4.00 on Hazel Grove @ 2.89 (11.56)
3.00 on Downton @ 2.16 (6.48 )
which all added up to a winning score of 104.04 points
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