Paddy's Fantasy League - AGM

Discussion in 'The Adjudicators' Comments' started by Paddy Flower, Oct 23, 2010.

  1. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    It’s been a pleasing start to the league this year and I hope you’re all enjoying a bit of fun competition. What is vitally important to me though is YOUR feedback so I’m putting this thread in as suggestion box and discussion forum for how the league evolves in the long term and what if any changes we’re going to make for the start of 2011.

    My vision - where I’d like to see the league going – is to have as many individual players as there are brass bands out there competing (and that’s a lot as you know) and these players filling all FIVE grades from Championship to Fourth Section with competitive promotion and relegation to keep everyone’s interest.

    I’d also like for the league to be based on it’s own independent website. The more players we have the more time it takes me to administrate so once a site is up, running and over any initial teething problems it would make my life much easier. I’m confident in saying Paddy having his own site would in no way disadvantage this excellent forum. I have at least one prominent mod already playing in the league and I can assure them all that tMP would be guaranteed a FREE LINK AND ADVERTISING SPACE FOREVER, there, I’ve said it now.

    The league’s players provide welcome opinions in the form of their bets which help me keep my markets on future contests both active and interesting and I hope that continues with more and more brassbanders getting involved.

    As you can see I’ve opened up a few topics in additional posts on matters that I’m looking for opinions on and I’ll add a few more discussion topics as and when I think of them. So without any further ado, I declare this meeting open. Do I have a volunteer to take the minutes?
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2010
  2. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    Changes to payout percentages

    I’m thinking of making the number of pay-out places smaller and I would base this on how each-way betting is paid out for horse racing, so it would be payout on win only for anything up to 4 bands in a section, 2 places paying on 5-7, 3 places on 8-11 and so on.

    Or are you all happy with how it is now, should I leave it alone?
  3. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    Promotion/Relegation and section sizes for 2011

    I’m thinking 40 players in each grade until we have 200+ members and then increase the grade sizes. 10 up, 10 down.

    Any thoughts?
  4. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member


    A new poster has been e-mailed to all members, but are there any graphic design geniuses that could help improve it for me?, I’d be very grateful

    Any other suggestions to help with FREE publicity would be greatly appreciated too
  5. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    Looking for a webmaster, Can you help?

    As I stated in the opening post I’m keen to get the league onto it’s own site for TWO reasons, it would make my life easier as I have to individually log all bets and respond to league players, plus I think it would be an easier game to play and more people would be inclined to join if all they had to do was login to a site where they could make their bets immediately.

    I’m fairly handy with spreadsheets and administration but I haven’t the first clue when it comes to domain names, site design and game design so I’m looking for help if anyone can offer it (PM or e-mail me if you like). I’m sure we can come to a mutually beneficial arrangement, FREE advertising space and links for you business perhaps, or just get in-touch and let me know your terms.
  6. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    Any other Business

    Feedback and suggestions please on any aspect of the league not already covered in the other points
  7. sbandsman

    sbandsman Member

    This year has been an enjoyable way to have fun with contesting. Not taking anything away from this forums prediction centre it has in fact enhanced the way I look at the brass world:clap:


    I'll hav a go :)
  9. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    I wonder if it might be possible for you to stay under the tMP umbrella - to have your own subsection of the site? That way you'd avoid your concern about diverting traffic from tMP entirely.
  10. Kjata

    Kjata Member

    That would make it more realistic right? Now that we have a couple of clear leaders maybe a more realistic set of odds would make it even more enjoyable?

    How many members are we up to now?

    All I can say is fantastic!! :clap:
    Nice one Paddy.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2010
  11. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    your a gent Rhys
  12. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    Thanks to you both, I aim to please :)
  13. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    I would always be open to this idea although I know it would place additional stress and work on tMP's games writer. I also wouldn't want this to replace the existing predictions competition which is also useful as a guide to opnion when updating my odds

    Maybe one of the mods might like to comment but I wouldn't want to put tMP on the spot

    Last edited: Oct 23, 2010
  14. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    An Internation regional area

    I knew there was something I forgot.

    One of my overseas players has asked if we could open a ninth region for international players.

    I'm pretty sure there's 4 or 5 players who are either based outside the UK or are no-brits so how many players would be interested in jumping into this ninth area?
  15. Di B

    Di B Member

    How would international work? The area wouldn't apply to them as such would it? What competition would be the alternative?

    Apart from the withdrawals adding annoying admin to your job, I think the league is fun and running well.

    I would like the option of showing off/saying we were robbed/the adjudicators deaf etc to certain other bands, so if we had a thread on tmp it might create some friendly rivalry! :)

    I think a list of contests used should be drawn up if possible so people know (or have an idea) what will be going on in the year. This is important for smaller contests as only locals will know when they are and the format of the contest.

    I don't know if all results are reset at the end of the year (I know it is your best 10 at the moment I think?).
    It would be good to have a number of prizes at the end of the year. Promotions/relegations yes, but you could have other minor awards e.g. the biggest 'win' from betting, possible the most consistent betting and the outsider betting (where someone has put all money on outsider to win and it has)

    All are just thoughts and ideas - I don't really mind as I am just enjoying participating :-D
  16. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    Some great feedback here Di B, thanks

    For next year's areas my plan is for each member to bet on ALL eight regions even thou they will only be competing against players from their own region for the league points and qualification spots.
    Betting on their HOME region will be trebled (so 10.00 per section for the other 7 areas, 30.00 per section for their own), this will help my odds as well as local opinions will count for higher.
    The 9th international region? Not sure yet if we're even going to do this, nobody else has expressed an interest. Perhaps they can play a 'joker' region and have their bets trebled on the region of their choice. Opinions please?

    Well I do have another thread specifically for the league.

    It started off with some good banter but now only I seem to post on it. So please people, crow about your good results and complain about adjudicators knobbling your chances there to your hearts content

    That would be hard to do as I never now when (if ever) a full line-up is going to be released by the organisers. What I do now is keep an eagle on tMP thread, 4 barsrest and others for the line-ups then put it out to the league.

    League points are reset at the start of January and there will effectively be 2 divisions (Champ and 1st) in 2011 with a 2nd section being added once we pass 80 members or so. I like the idea of bonus points for biggest win and biggest gamble, I won't include it this year as i've already taken angry stick about launching a best name competition AFTER people chose those names
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2010
  17. Di B

    Di B Member

    I assume you are on about the 'band' region not the players actual region?
    Problems here are that not everyone chose their own area as their band area (this helped make up numbers for the national finals too)
    My band is in Yorkshire, but I know most (allegedly!) about the Midlands. I'm not too fussed, as Yorks is probably the next best region for me, but if I had picked the West of England as an area I would be stuck.
  18. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    I think some people picked L&SC as they thought it would somehow be a soft touch...
  19. Paddy Flower

    Paddy Flower Active Member

    I guess that's a decision you have to take.

    Here's a dilemna for you, say you live in the North-West area, have played for NW bands all of your life but you chose Midlands or Scotland for you fantasy area on the basis that there are fewer players and thus would increase your chance of qualifying. But now your bets are trebled on an area you know less about.

    So you have a choice, go for your actual home area and lessen your chances as there are so many players, or plumb for a less subscribed one, that's the gamble.

    I know what some will say 'We didn't know about trebling home regions before we joined', fine, switch regions then, Paddy's OK with that as long as it's done before the end of November (I think that's fair)
  20. tubaminstrel

    tubaminstrel Member

    I'd love a website for this Paddy but like you I know next to nothing about web-hosting and stuff. There must be someone out there that can help with this though