Original music for band by "real" composers?

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  1. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Ideas please: I need some help from those tMPer's with a wider-ranging and more in-depth knowledge of repertoire than I have. Please be aware that the thread title is not meant to be in any way disparaging towards respected modern-day composers of brass band music, however I'll try to explain:

    In May, The Egham Band is giving a slightly unusual concert, in that we have teamed up with the local Music Club with the intention of presenting the brass band to an audience of music-lovers who would not normally consider attending a brass band concert. The sort of people who would happily sit through a couple of hours of Beethoven/Brahms/Mozart string quartets or piano trios, but would avoid a conventional brass band concert because their perception of brass bands is based on "Brassed Off" and their experience of seeing/hearing bands at the local annual agricultural show, or whatever, therefore they imagine that we only play "the Floral Dance" and arrangements of the "Galop from William Tell."

    Instead, what we want to do is show that brass bands do actually play "real" music, but we don't want to assault them with "hardcore" contemporary music, therefore the brief is to find original music by "established" classical composers (ie composers the non-bander audience will have heard of) written specifically for brass band (ie not arrangements or transcriptions), dating roughly from the first half of the 20th c.

    Accordingly, the programme thus far (not necessarily in this order) is:

    Comedy (Ireland)
    Moorside Suite (Holst)
    Severn Suite (Elgar)
    Pageantry (Howells)
    Little Suite for Brass (Arnold)

    What I am looking for is a sixth (and probably final) piece which fits the above criteria, but is possibly a little lighter in vein, and a bit shorter (ie not "test-piece"-length), and hopefully a bit lighter on the lips ...

    I would appreciate your suggestions.

    TIA

    G.
     
  2. nickjones

    nickjones Active Member

    Vivat Regina - William Mathias
     
  3. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    I realise you've got John Ireland there already, but there's always the Downland Suite - either the whole thing or just the "Elegy".

    There's also Vaughan Williams' "Henry V Overture" or the "Prelude on three Welsh hymn tunes", although the latter may be a little of a heavy blow on top of the rest of the programme.
     
  4. Alan MacRae

    Alan MacRae Member

    Padstow Lifeboat, Malcolm Arnold, or any of his Scottish/Cornish/etc Dances.

    Either of Holst's Suites (First in F, Second in Eb, or t'other way round) Especially the one with "Fantasy on the Dargason" (Irish Washerwoman/Greensleeves) as the final movement. Shedbuilders like that one, too... they get to hit an anvil with a hammer during the "Song of the Blacksmith" movement :D
     
  5. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    Apart from "Padstow Lifeboat", the problem with the others is that they are arrangements (from military band in the case of the Holst & orchestra forthe Arnold) rather than original works for brass band.

    You have similar problems with Gilbert Vinter's lighter works, as they were often transcription of salon orchestra works.
     
  6. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    Probably not concert items, but how's about Festal Brass with Blues (Tippett) or Grimethorpe Aria (Birtwhistle)? I definately think that the Malcolm Arnold approach would work, as it would give the audience a rest from the more heavy items.

    I think that Vaughan Williams' Overture Henry V has been neglected for too long. It's a nice concert item and not too difficult. Audiences will enjoy the march at the end, too.

    A slightly left-field suggestion, but how about using a couple of ensemble pieces in your concert? I played for Redbridge in a concert a few years back and the 2nd half started with Britten's Fanfare for St Edmundsbury. Just three trumpets playing from the back of the church, very effective.

    My old brain is not working at the moment, probably due to the fact that my 9-month-old son has his first cold and is leaving a silvery trail wherever he goes....:-?

    If I think of any more, I'll revist later today.
     
  7. Alan MacRae

    Alan MacRae Member

    Quite so, and I knew that, so am at a complete loss as to why I suggested them. My wrist has been duly slapped.
     
  8. tubafran

    tubafran Active Member

    A couple more that come to mind are

    Little Suite Opus 28 - Kenneth Platts
    Capriol Suite - Peter Warlock

    and not an ending but always good - Prelude for an Occassion - Gregson
     
  9. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Good idea, strong contender. Possibly a bit longer than I envisaged but not excessively so. Bit unsure about how well known Mathias is ... ?

    Yes. trying to avoid duplication of composers if possible. "Downland" was on the original shortlist, but I went for "Comedy" on the grounds that the band already knows it from the qualifiers. Doing the "Elegy" as a sort of "lollipop" is a good thought, though.

    I did want to do something by Vaughan-Williams; originally considered the "Variations" but it's a huge blow on top of the rest of the programme. "Henry V" is OK for the lower band but still quite draining for the cornets, and I have reservations about whether it's truly "original"; most of it is based on french or english folk/traditional tunes so it could be classed as "arranging", in one sense.

    From the point of view of the target audience I think both Tippett and Birtwistle would be considered a bit "avant-garde" - not sure if the pieces aren't a bit too challenging for a 2nd section band as well?

    You're right about Arnold, but as we already have the "Little Suite" again I don't want to duplicate if I can avoid it.

    I hadn't thought about the "St. Edmonsbury". At one stage we were preparing a version of that (for an entertainments contest) using the whole cornet section divided into three groups, but we ditched it (can't remember why - probably for something cheesier :oops: ... )
    Thing is, ideally I would be looking for something to ease the burden on the cornets, rather than add to it ...

    Peter's point about Vinter is spot on. I guess what I really had in the back of my mind was something like "Lisbon Carnival" or "Portugese Party", but written by someone better known outside of banding circles.

    Lots of good ideas, giving me plenty to think about, keep 'em coming
    Thanks, all.
     
  10. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Don't know the Kenneth Platts at all.

    Don't know if either Platts or Gregson are "recognised/established" composers in the same sense that Holst/Elgar/Ireland/Howells et al are, outside of the band world.

    The "Capriol" is an arrangement of the original for strings.
     
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    William(James) MATHIAS
    (Born; Whitland, 1 Nov 1934; Died; Anglesey, 29 July 1992). Welsh composer. He studied with Berkeley at the RAM and from 1959 taught at University College, Bangor. His music draws on Bartók, Hindemith, Stravinsky and Tippett: the style is essentially tonal and his preference for standard multi-movement forms allows for lyrical and dynamic expression. He wrote much choral music, besides concertos (three for piano), chamber music (two string quartets, 1968, 1982), and the opera The Servants (1980).(c)Groves Dictionaries, MacMillan Publishers Limited, UK


    A Babe is Born [Index no. 139]
    X222 100CC/1 [#R3027]
    carol accompaniment for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, perc, pno/cel, str

    6'


    Alleluia Christ is Risen
    [#N4115]
    anthem accompaniment for brass ensemble
    3 tpt, 3 tbn, timp (or organ)
    Vocal score on sale only

    6'


    Anniversary Dances
    [#J5557]
    for orchestra
    3fl(3rd+ picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn,
    tba, timp 3 perc, hp/cel, str

    23'


    Ave Rex
    [#C7428]
    carol sequence for choir and orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba (opt), timp, perc, org(or pno), str

    14'


    Bell Carol [Index no. 194]
    X340 [#R4798]
    carol accompaniment for brass ensemble
    2 tpt, 3 tbn, perc, org

    6'


    Carnival of Wales
    [#J5638]
    for orchestra
    3 fl(3rd + picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, hp/cel, str

    26'


    Celtic Dances
    [#J5573]
    for orchestra
    2 fl(2nd+picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn (3rd +btbn), tba(opt), timp, 3 perc, cel, hp, str

    14'


    Ceremony After a Fire Raid
    [#C7435]
    for choir, piano and percussion
    for SATB choir, pno and percussion

    20'


    Come, Holy Ghost (1992)
    Anthem for Pentecost [#N3267]
    for SATB choir and brass ensemble
    3 tpt, timp(optional), organ [plays from full score]

    6'


    Concerto for Clarinet & Orch
    [#J5575]
    for solo clarinet, strings and percussion
    str, perc [solo clarinet]

    18'


    Concerto for Flute
    [#J5595]
    for solo flute and string orchestra
    strings only [solo flute]

    14'


    Concerto for Harp
    [#J5589]
    for solo harp and small orchestra
    fl, ob, cl, bn, hn, tpt, timp, 2 perc, cel, str [solo harp]

    25'


    Concerto for Harpsichord
    [#J5658]
    for solo harpischord, string orchestra and percussion
    str(quintet or small string orchestra), perc [solo hpschd]

    18'


    Concerto for Horn
    [#J5684]
    for solo horn, string orchestra and timpani
    str, timp [solo horn]

    20'


    Concerto for Oboe
    [#J5690]
    for solo oboe and string orchestra
    strings only [solo oboe]
    Facsimile study score and piano reduction on sale

    18'


    Concerto for Orchestra
    [#J5652]
    for orchestra
    3 fl, 3 ob, 3 cl, 3 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 4 perc, hp, str

    22'


    Concerto for Organ
    [#J5685]
    for solo organ and orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 co, 2 bn, 4 hn, 6 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, 3 perc, cel, hp, str [solo organ]

    28'


    Concerto for Piano no. 1 (1957)
    [#J5599]
    for solo piano and orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, perc (side dr, bass dr, cymb, tambourine, glock, xylo), str

    23'


    Concerto for Piano no. 2
    [#J5601]
    for solo piano and orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, cel, str [solo piano]

    23'


    Concerto for Piano no. 3
    [#J5603]
    for solo piano and orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, cel, str [solo piano]
    Reduction for 2 pnos available

    23'


    Concerto for Violin
    [#J5692]
    for solo violin and orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn(3rd+cbn) 4 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn, timp,
    2 perc, cel, hp, str [solo violin]

    36'


    Dance Overture
    [#J5581]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 4 perc, str

    6'


    Dance Variations
    [#J5670]
    for orchestra
    2 fl(2nd+picc), 2 cl, 2 bn, 2 hn, 2 tpt, timp, str

    19'


    Divertimento for String Orchestra
    [#J5586]
    for string orchestra
    strings only

    12'


    Elegy for a Prince
    [#J5583]
    for Baritone solo and orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, 2 perc, cel, pno, str

    15'


    Except the Lord Build the House
    [#N4107]
    anthem accompaniment for brass ensemble
    3 tpt, perc, timp

    6'


    Festival Overture
    [#J5593]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, perc, hp, str

    8'


    Fields of Praise
    [#R5572]
    for tenor and piano
    vocal/piano part

    25'


    Helios
    [#J5673]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, perc, hp, str

    16'


    Holiday Overture
    [#J5660]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, pno, cel, hp, str

    16'


    In Arcadia
    [#J5590]
    for orchestra
    3 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 3 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, perc, cel, hp, str

    18'


    Intrada
    [#J5656]
    for small orchestra
    2 ob, 2 hn, str

    5'


    Investiture Anniversary Fanfare
    [#J5681]
    for brass ensemble
    4 tpt, 2 bass tpt (or ten tbn), btbn, 2 timp, 3 perc

    4'


    Invocation and Dance
    [#J5591]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 2 perc, hp, str

    12'


    Jonah
    A Musical Morality [#C7465]
    for Tenor and Baritone soloists, chorus and orchestra
    2 tpt, pno duet, org, timp, 2 perc, str

    60'


    Laudi
    [#J5662]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, 3 perc, piano/cel, str

    14'


    Learsongs [ensemble]
    [#C7468]
    for SA chorus and small ensemble
    cl, tpt, 1 perc, pno duet, db

    16'


    Learsongs [piano duet]
    [#C7467]
    for SA chorus and piano duet
    piano duet

    16'


    Let all the world
    [#N0399]
    anthem accompaniment for brass ensemble
    3 tpt, 3 tbn, tuba, timp, 3 perc, org

    6'


    Let the People Praise Thee
    Royal Wedding Anthem [#N4105]
    for choir and orchestra
    3 fl (3rd+picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba(opt), timp, 2 perc, hp, str

    4'


    Let us Now Praise Famous Men
    [#N4117]
    for choir and orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, perc, hp, str

    8'


    Litanies
    Concertante Music for Orchestra [#J5654]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 3 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, 2 perc, hp, pno (+cel), str

    14'


    Lux Aeterna
    [#C7462]
    for Soprano, Mezzo-soprano, Contralto soloists, chorus and orchestra
    3 fl(3rd+picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn,
    tba, timp, 4 perc, cel, pno, org, hp, str

    58'


    Melos
    [#J5666]
    for small orchestra
    fl, hp, perc, str

    14'


    Music for Strings
    [#J5596]
    for string orchestra
    strings only

    17'


    National Anthems
    [#J5679]
    for small ensemble
    2 tpt, timp, perc, str, str

    5'


    Nativity Carol [Index no.46]
    [#R4790]
    carol accompaniment for brass ensemble
    2 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, perc

    6'


    O Aula Nobilis
    [#C7443]
    for SA chorus and brass ensemble
    3 tpt, timp, 3 perc, pno duet

    5'


    O Lord our Lord
    [#N0398]
    for SATB chorus and brass ensemble
    3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 2 perc, org

    6'


    O Sing Unto the Lord op.29
    [From Psalms 96 & 98] [#J5598]
    for SATB chorus and brass ensemble
    2 tpt, 3 tbn, timp

    5'


    Praise is due to you, O God in Zion
    [#N0428]
    for choir and brass ensemble
    3 tpt, timp, 2 perc, organ

    8'


    Prelude, Aria and Finale
    [#J5642]
    for string orchestra
    strings only

    10'


    Psalm 150
    [#N4095]
    for chorus and orchestra and/or organ
    3 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, perc, pno, str

    8'


    Reflections on a Theme of Tomkins
    [#J5677]
    for small orchestra
    fl, ob, org, hpchd, str

    17'


    Requiescat
    [#J5675]
    for orchestra
    2 fl (2nd+picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, 2 perc, cel, hp, str

    10'


    Salvator Mundi
    [#C7460]
    for SSA chorus and small orchestra or pianoduet only
    pno duet, perc and str
    OR pno duet only

    18'


    Serenade for Small Orchestra
    [#J5636]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, bn(opt), 2 hn, 2 tpt, 2 tbn, timp, perc (opt), hp, str

    8'


    Servants, The
    [#C7447]
    opera
    3 fl(3rd+picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, pno/cel, hp, str

    135'


    Seven Poems of R S Thomas (1957)
    [#R5567]
    for Tenor solo and small orchestra
    fl(+picc), ob, cl, bn, hn, hp, str

    20'


    Shakespeare Songs
    [#C7445]
    for SATB chorus and piano
    vocal/piano part

    16'


    Sinfonietta
    [#J5637]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, perc, pno/cel, 2 hp(opt instead of pno), str

    12'


    Sir Christemas [orch][Index no.100]
    [#R3094]
    carol accompaniment for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 2 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, perc, org/pno, str

    6'


    Sir Christemas[brass][Index no 101]
    [#R4202]
    carol accompaniment for brass ensemble
    3 tpt, 3 tbn (OR 2 hn, 2 tpt, 3 tbn), timp, perc, org

    6'


    Songs of William Blake
    [#R5573]
    for Mezzo-soprano solo and small orchestra
    hp, pno, cel, str

    28'


    String Quartet no 2
    [#N7779]
    for string quartet
    violins, viola and cello

    19'


    Symphony No 1
    [#J5648]
    for orchestra
    3 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, hp, cel, pno, str

    30'


    Symphony No 2
    Summer Music [#J5650]
    for orchestra
    3 fl(3rd+picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 4 perc, cel, pno, hp, str

    28'


    Symphony No 3
    [#J5653]
    for orchestra
    3 fl, 3 ob, 3 cl, 3 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, cel, pno, hp, str

    35'


    Te Deum
    [#C7458]
    for Soprano, Mezzo-soprano and Tenor soloists, chorus and orchestra
    3 fl(3rd+picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, hp, str

    15'


    This Worldes Joie
    [#C7438]
    for Soprano, Tenor and Bass soloists, chorus and orchestra
    3 fl(3rd+picc), 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, cbn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, perc, pno/cel, hp, small org, str

    50'


    Three Medieval Lyrics
    [#C7432]
    for chorus and small ensemble
    2 tpt, 2 perc, org

    15'


    Threnos
    [#J5693]
    for string orchestra
    strings only

    17'


    Trio for Piano
    [#N7781]
    for piano trio
    violin, cello and pno

    15'


    Veni Sancte Spiritus
    [#N3266]
    for small ensemble
    2 tpt, 1 perc. org, SATB

    9'


    Vistas
    [#J5664]
    for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 4 hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, tba, timp, 3 perc, pno/cel, hp, str

    17'


    Vivat Regina
    [#J5668]
    for brass band
    Soprano Eb, solo cornet Bb, repiano Bb, 2nd cornet Bb, 3rd cornet Bb, flugel Bb, solo hn Eb, 1st hn Eb, 2nd hn Eb,
    1st baritone Bb, 2nd baritone Bb, 1st tbn Bb, 2nd tbn Bb,
    btbn C, euph Bb, Eb bass, Bb bass, timp, perc

    10'


    Wassail Carol [Index no. 114]
    [#R4734]
    carol accompaniment for orchestra
    2 fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 2 hn, 2 tpt, 2 tbn, timp, perc, org/pno

    6'


    World's Fire
    [#C7454]
    for Soprano and Baritone soloists, choir and orchestra
    2 fl(2nd+picc), ob, 2 cl, bn, hn, 3 tpt, 3 tbn, timp, 3 perc, cel, pno, hp, str

    55'


    Zodiac Trio
    [#N7775]
    for small ensemble
    fl, vla and hp
     
  13. Brian Bowen

    Brian Bowen Active Member

    Some, if not all, of Ragtimes & Habaneras (Hans Werner Henze)?
     
  14. tubafran

    tubafran Active Member

    "Kenneth Platts1946 to 1989
    aged: 43
    From: U.k

    Kenneth Platts (1946—1989) was a British composer.

    He studied composition at the London College of Music with W. R. Pasfield and Lennox Berkeley. He is often classed as a composer of 'light music'. He wrote in an accessible style, and produced many works suitable for children and amateurs. His better-known compositions include a Concerto for Brass Band (?1978), a Sonatina (1979) for guitar, Delta Dances (1980) for wind band and a Divertimento for string orchestra.

    He wrotes some great music which has formed enjoyment for many people"

    and just remembered another "lolipop" from him - Strand on the Green
     
  15. Gorgie boy

    Gorgie boy Member

    What about some Derek Bourgeois or Joseph Horowitz? Both are reasonably well known composers in the wider classical field. Was there ever an arrangement made of the Music Hall Suite? It was originally for brass quintet so a BB arrangement would at least be true to the general sound.

    From a lesser known classical composer (albeit a well thought of one) what about 'Born to Battle' by Brenton Broadstock. Published by World of Brass (I think), it is a magnificent piece, and about 5 mins long.
     
  16. Jan H

    Jan H Moderator Staff Member

    I was also thinking of that one.

    Excuse my ignorance, was it originally composed for brass band? I know there are version for wind orchestra and brass ensemble as well...
     
  17. KMJ Recordings

    KMJ Recordings Supporting Member

    It was on the Grimethorpe Special LP with a few other bits and pieces...IIRC it is a Band original...but I'd have to dig out the sleeve and check.
     
  18. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Whoops :oops:

    OK, sorry about this, just realised I left an important bit out of the "brief" - the Concert is billed as "English" music for brass.

    Unfortunately rules out Mathias, Henze, and Broadstock ...
     
  19. Brian Bowen

    Brian Bowen Active Member

    Requested by Elgar Howarth and commissioned by Grimethorpe Colliery Band. First public performance 1975 (Royal Albert Hall).
     
  20. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    How about the 2nd movement of Horovitz's 'Euphonium Concerto', if you have a mellifluous euph player? It's not hard at all for the soloist, and should rest the cornets a bit.

    He wasn't born in England (Vienna), but has lived here since the age of 12.
     
  21. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    OK, thanks, I don't know it but will ask our Euph. if he knows it tonight.

    Now, here's a specific steer.

    In the Brand book "Brass Bands in the 20th Century" Eric Ball wrote the chapter on "Music for the Brass Band (1900-1975). In it he says "Granville Bantock, with 'Prometheus Unbound' and some "smaller" works, also enriched the repertoire."
    Does anyone know what some of these "smaller" works were?

    "Prometheus" was on the earlier shortlists for the program, but is not quite what I am looking for in terms of a "lighter" classic.
     
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