I think this sums up the position and changes can only really be effected by lobbying at association meetings. It would need quite a radical campaign though if this was to be taken on. At Verwood we had to get two wins at the Areas to achieve promotion from the fourth section in 2006 due to earlier years placings so I think that I know how Brunel must feel. Bream also had to be consistent over many years to get their promotion. Banding is not all about contesting - good concerts that your audience appreciate are far more rewarding in my opinion. Good luck to all WoE bands at Harrogate and London.