Neutering a BBb

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Despot, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. Despot

    Despot Member

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    Hi All,

    Took out an Imperial BBb with thoughts of using it as a training instrument.

    However, after a few stabs in the leg and "elsewhere", I found the ball on the bottom bow a real annoyance. Tried resting on a chair, but the ball just caused the instrument to slip.

    Is it common practise to remove this ball? Any downsides?
     
  2. Bayerd

    Bayerd Active Member

    Once the ball's been removed, you might find that the sound becomes more sterile.
     
  3. scotchgirl

    scotchgirl Active Member

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    but less aggressive...
     
  4. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

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    As an alternative, you could use a tuba stand, where the nipple fits into a cup, and a variable height adjustment allows for the mouthpiece to be set at the correct height. I had a go - it involved me changing position on my seat, but it was OK.

    I've also seen a bass player using what looked like a large table tennis bat to hold up his bass. He sat on the 'paddle', and the handle had a hole in it for the nipple. Looked weird, but worked.
     
  5. Anno Draconis

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    and goes up an octave...
     
  6. Bungle

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    I used a bass stand when I played an Imperial BBb. I think it can be an advantage using a bass stand when doing a concert and the seats are different to what you are used to, e.g. have a pronounced lip on both sides.
     
  7. scotchgirl

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    'nipple'....***snigger***:oops:
     
  8. David Mann

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    #Tuba...


    has only got one ball!


    :oops: sorry.
     
  9. on_castors

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    I have performed this surgery on at least 3 E flat Imperials... (digs into my left leg!) thing is by the time they got to the age they are now, then a tiny change in tone isn't going to be of ANY significance, even if it does happen!

    Anyway since when was "TONE" and "BBflat Bass" ever used in the same sentence! ;-)

    Modern instruments don't have them, and I have never noticed any problem with any of them, so that's proof enough for me!

    Hacksaws ready!
     
  10. I used the board with hole in technique for years,i simply had an off cut of laminate flooring,shaped the ends and drilled a hole to take the "ball" i sat on the shaped board and the bass sat nicely on the other end of the board,it worked a treat!!!
     
  11. Bayerd

    Bayerd Active Member

    Thankfully at least 2 we with me.....

    Which tune should we sing this one to?.....


    In answer to the OP, cut it off, it won't do you any harm.....
     
  12. bbg

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    Phew! Was getting a bit worried about the OP's band discipline...............late for 3 rehearsals and you're "neutered"???!
     
  13. MartinT

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    A misunderstanding common among players of the little high-pitched thing...;)
     
  14. on_castors

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    Oh no, it's no misunderstanding - I started off on a big gurgly thing and played nothing else for a few years! I even have the march-induced cracks in my front teeth to prove it. :biggrin:

    It's not B flat tubas that is the problem, it is British style B flat tubas that are.. the Germans and the US large B flat tubas don't nearly suffer the same problem, mind you, it needs a lot of stuff like the inclusion of a 5th valve, accessible moveable slides (even 3rd Cornet players can manage those!) and the loss of the compensation system to get rid of the "Dyno-rod" drain emptying sound quality, and the feeling you need a pair of reserve lungs! :-(
     
  15. MartinT

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    Apologies, I should have looked at your playing experience before replying!
    Nevertheless, there are too many players of both varieties (and I too have swapped between EEb and BBb over the years) who haven't yet appreciated the rather subtle tonal changes you can introduce when required - without resorting to mutes.
    I've only had one brief experience with an orchestral BBb, so can't really comment on that aspect. I have, however, admired the technique of adjusting the intonation on the fly using tuning slides - I only attempt this in case of dire emergency! :eek:
     
  16. Will the Sec

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    Wha.... how dare you! Implying the Bb bass has an effemina....

    Oh, gurgly. Thought you said girly.

    Sorry. ;)
     
  17. scotchgirl

    scotchgirl Active Member

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    surely neutering a BBb bass would make it girly ;)
     
  18. themusicalrentboy

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    wouldn't you need to cut a hole in the bottom?

    Which serves the purpose of the innuendo, and also improving the sound of said Bass dramatically!
     
  19. scotchgirl

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  20. Neillyboy

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    haha the old boy in a band i used to play with actually drilled a hole in a wooden seat to stick the ball into. The baton never went down till the audible sound of a BBb dropping into the hole was heard.
     
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