National Finals-when will there be a live stream?

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Beesa, Oct 9, 2010.

  1. Beesa

    Beesa Member

    I would love to be able to hear the bands as I sit here working at my PC. Even if it is through my tinny speakers and bog standard soundcard.

    Some might say that this would deter people from going to see the event live, but I feel that providing for a wider audience through the internet would inspire more people to go.

    Any thoughts?
  2. Laserbeam bass

    Laserbeam bass Active Member

    When the promoters start promoting to a wider audience.

    Once this has been acheived then they would be able to tender the servivc out to a reputable company, who could then stream from the Albert Hall.

    My only question would be, why would you want to stream rather than listen live. This would be an audience killer, except for the die hard fans, who would go regardless.

    If live streaing were to happen, I think the contest would no longer take place at the RAH
  3. Jan H

    Jan H Moderator Staff Member

    I think the organizers should first try to sell out the venue...
  4. Super Ph

    Super Ph Member

    exactly. no-one listens anyway.
  5. blue juice

    blue juice Member

    Because I haven't got the time or money to go to london and listen live.
  6. DMBabe

    DMBabe Supporting Member

    :clap::clap: Can think of lots of other things to spend my money on but would listen to the bands online if I was free. Surely its not unreasonable to increase the audience by such means? It would likely have a knock on effect by making people more likely to go and see big name bands if they were appearing nearer to their homes and also increase cd sales? And maybe the audience would increase if the location were changed?
  7. Aurora771

    Aurora771 Member

    I don't see it happening any time soon, due to the reasons already stated. However, if it were to happen I'd definitely be up for it. I'd connect my laptop to my big telly and invite other band geeks round. Yes, I'm that cool. National Championship Partaaaayyyyyy!! :tup
  8. DMBabe

    DMBabe Supporting Member


    Would that be a tartan massive partaaaaaayyyy perchance?
  9. Aurora771

    Aurora771 Member

    Why, of course! Love any excuse for a Tartan Brass Rampage Massive Partaaayyyyy!

    Although... watch the furniture :biggrin:
  10. Bayerd

    Bayerd Active Member

    What a crock of horse sh1t. How's streaming the finals live going to get more people into concerts? Only banding geeks will watch the online streaming, you'll never increase general audience figures that way. Secondly, what location do you suggest?
  11. DMBabe

    DMBabe Supporting Member

    Speaking personally, I might be more inclined to go to concerts if I were able to have more access to contest performances as well. " Only banding geeks will watch the online streaming" - Only banding geeks would travel hundreds of miles to watch a contest. I wouldn't do that but I'd consider watching some of it if I had the time, as I'm sure would many others. There's nothing like seeing someone play well to re-ignite an interest, even if it is online. Also it might reduce some of the online sniping and speculation of the "we were robbed" variety if a wider range of people were able to listen to it and form an independant opinion rather than believing 4bars rest as gospel.

    Regarding location, just because it's traditionally been in the Albert Hall doesn't mean that in the current climate that its still the most appropriate venue. There are plenty of venues all over the country that could do the job, why does the venue need to be fixed? If the finals, especially the Championship section were to be moved around it would increase local interest in those areas and the die hard band geeks would still attend regardless. And perhaps the hotels wouldn't get wise and hike the prices up if the event were to move every year (like we all know happens in Harrogate).

    Maybe our movement would be more secure if the bands in the upper echelons became more accessible to all involved?
  12. Splitzer

    Splitzer Member

    ^^^ This. Although to be fair I would be fed up of going down to London every year if I were scotish.
  13. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    I don't think they would have you ;)
  14. Beesa

    Beesa Member

    Well I would suggest that there isn't a live streaming because the organisers fear that there would then be even less people in the audience "why go to the Albert Hall when you can sit at home on the PC" sort of thing.

    But I see that as the sort of argument against showing football matches live on TV. There was an uproar when that all started that the stands would be empty and it would kill football.

    Newspapers were up in arms at the internet. Nobody would ever buy a newspaper if we had all our news on that there internet thing.

    Oh, and remember the calls about paperless offices when we all got these computers?

    The point being, the new technology needs to be embraced and used to our advantage. It is nothing to be afraid off and it isn't going away.

    Brass Banding might though, if we don't look after it.

    Personally, I would like to suggest that by widening the audience at such events via the internet, then the audience on the ground so to speak, is also widened. I would say give people a year or two to taste National Finals on the PC then I am sure many will eventually want to go to it live.
  15. Frontman

    Frontman Member

    Streaming worked for the Europeans this year and I guess that many people actually paid the £8.00 to watch.

    I personally hope that Kapitol Promotions take advantage of the technology for next years Lower Section and Championship finals.

    I personally would like the Yorkshire Area Committee to consider streaming their Championship Section Area as it is always a sell out and out of all the Area Contests, this is the one that interests everyone..
  16. Beesa

    Beesa Member

    Well I've often thought the same about the North West Regional Championships - Fodens, Wingates, Faireys, Leyland et all, all top bands competing. For a fiver or whatever it is these days, I am always surprised that the Blackpool Winter Gardens Opera House isn't packed all afternoon.

    Again, with so many people having access to the internet, I am sure that streaming the contest would increase interest.

    I say all this with the certain belief that wonderful as it is, no amount of equipment and technology can ever replace the atmosphere of being here. It's getting more people hooked on that thought that is the big step.
  17. Anno Draconis

    Anno Draconis Well-Known Member

    I think it was a tenner last year, and you'd be amazed how many people whinged about that. The halls are only as full as they are because of all the bandsman's tickets, and because all 5 sections are on the same day. Only diehard band geeks are going to travel all the way to Blackpool just to listen to 12 bands play the same piece to a half empty hall.

    Threads asking how we can "widen the appeal" of the major contests make me laugh - almost no-one, including an awful lot of banders I know, wants to sit and listen to even the best bands play the same piece 20 times. Under no circumstances is a wider audience going to want to listen just because it's on the internet. Simply getting bands on the internet, or the telly (which is another regular topic) isn't going to magically bring in a whole new audince if we're still playing the same old twaddle, with the same old silly rules, to the same old people, with the same old conductors and adjudicators. Mark my words, the days of the set test-piece contest with closed adjudication have to be numbered, otherwise the writing is on the wall for brass bands.

    There are, in my opinion, 3 contests which might tempt a wide enough internet audience to justify the cost of setting up a decent streamed feed - by which I do NOT mean holding up your iPhone in the crowd! The European (because it has a wider catchment of countires to aim at), Brass in Concert and the Sunday entertainments contest at Butlins. The Nationals and the Open - never, as they're currently formatted.
  18. Beesa

    Beesa Member

    I understand what you say and agree to an extent.

    At Blackpool for example, no one is asking someone to listen to all 12 bands and that is the very beauty of our Area in that during the one day you can listen to 2 or three or more of every section. That has got to be a bargain for a tenner. If the non-bandsmen paying audience are going to be 'band geeks', then lets make more band geeks.

    I agree about Brass In Concert and other Entertainment Contests. They are probably the starting points for live streaming. The sooner the better because at the moment I am not listening to any of them but at least having access via internet I am going to get a taste of it.

    It's just that the technology is there. Using it can hardly discourage people from becoming interested and coming along next time.
  19. Anno Draconis

    Anno Draconis Well-Known Member

    You're quite right, the singular appeal of Blackpool is that you can wander about the various sections, see your mates in other bands, see almost everyone you know in banding in the same place on the same day, have a pint with people you haven't seen for ages - all of that is true. But you can't recreate that social side with an live stream of the contest, unless you have multiple mic/camera setups and someone wandering about doing vox-pops. A single hall setup (most likely in the Opera House, where the top section is) would give you two sections at most, and even when the top bands were on, they'd still all be playing the same piece. So it still appeals only to those who like to sit with their score counting splits and slagging off minute intonation discrepancies. (Yes, I have :oops:).

    That was fine in 1970, when there was a whole generation of BOCs happy to do that. Things have decidedly changed. Even amongst banders, many who go to Blackpool play with their own band, then get stuck into the drinking and socialising and never listen to a single band - this is despite the fact that they are in the contest venue, with a free ticket to a contest featuring two or three of the country's classiest bands. The same was true at this year's Spring Festival contests. Bars/local pubs = rammed; contest halls = half full. That speaks volumes about the declining appeal of contesting, to me.

    I actually think it can - if an "outsider", maybe an orchestral brass player wondering what all the fuss about brass bands is about or a musically inclined member of the general public drops in on a streaming feed of the Nationals and gets 20 performances of varying quality of the same piece, I can't imagine it would whet their appetite for more. At least with something like BiC they would get a variety of stuff to listen to - it's no coincidence that the only UK-based major contests which regularly boast full halls for most of the day are BiC and the Sunday at Butlins.
  20. blue juice

    blue juice Member

    I think there is a serious case for moving the finals around. The SAGE in gateshead or symphony hall birmingham would be just as good venues and a lot more accesible for the traditional heartlands of banding.