National Finals 2008 - 4th Section Test Piece : Shipbuilders

Discussion in 'The Adjudicators' Comments' started by Di, Jun 4, 2008.

  1. robcav

    robcav Member

    I believe it was the National Finals (old) Third section piece in 1973 which was won by Haworth Band. This is a real test for any fourth section band, especially the cornet section.
  2. JR

    JR Member

    Correct Rob - it was me who told you last week!

    I played on the front row that day for the original Rothwell Temps with my Dad conducting - we played well early on and I remember Dad being gutted at only coming 9th or 10th!
    It was held at Fulham Town Hall and the band stayed at the then brand new London Penta hotel on Cromwell Road (now Holiday Inn Forum) - I remember most of the band being amazed by the ultra modern facilities - automatic doors - and, wait for it - mini bars.
    This was, don't forget, 35 years ago... (my god it is..)

    Long time ago - but great atmosphere in those days

  3. Masterblaster jnr

    Masterblaster jnr Active Member

    No. Well at least we haven't found any yet.

    All it looks like is a photocopy :)eek:) of the originals. good money spinner. There might be some but as i say i haven't found any
  4. 007ish

    007ish Member

    Taken from Kapitol Promotions web site:-

    " Recommended recordings
    To order, contact Polyphonic at the contact address and telephone number given above for Studio Music Company, but use the following e-mail address:

    1. Harry Mortimer – A Musical Tribute
    Catalogue reference: QPRL 050D)
    Polyphonic "

    What do Kapitol mean by recommended recording :confused:
    Is this a benchmark given to the Adjudicators and the Bands on which to base their performance criteria :cool:
    Or have the adjudicators advised kapitol of their preferred interpretation :(
    Or is it just a favourite recording in Phillip’s (Kapitol Promotions) collection ;)
    Not knocking it, but is it something we and the other sections with "Recommended Recordings" need to know???
  5. 4thmandown

    4thmandown Member

    I seem to remember us qualifying for the finals on Shipbuilders that year, so I thought you might have had fonder memories.

    We did have some pretty decent players in the band at that time who've moved onward and upward since, so I think it's a very, very challenging piece for 4th Section.

    The third movement will provide many opportunities for trips and slips, but I think the 4th movement will really test the bands severely. There is no opportunity for any drop in concentration or intensity at all and it is a real test of stamina and control.

    Best of luck folks!
  6. JR

    JR Member

    seems a bit odd this - especially as there are several Shipbuilders recordings available.
    All the other pieces have only one or two. There arent any recordings of the 3rd section piece (Hurray!!)
    What's wrong with the Dyke version from the early 70s? (same LP as Sovereign Heritage) - seems fine to me...
    I also remember Besses recording it with Ifor james on an LP entitled Capriccio Brilliante.
    Also the old Wm Davis band did it etc etc

  7. BbBill

    BbBill Supporting Member

    Theres a good recording on the Sunlife "Legacy" triple CD.

    Can remember playing it at the Areas in the 90's, wasnt that fussed with it back then as a tender 15yr old, but quite enjoy listening to it now!
  8. blasterbates

    blasterbates Member

    National Finals 1st Section 2007, and our draw delegate was stunned by another delegate (she didn't say which band) asking the question: "Should we play the piece as per the recording or as per the score?"

    Amazing. :confused:

    Presumably referring to the YBS recording which was much quicker than the score marking at (I think) around number 157 - the drunken sailor bit anyway.

    Now I'm not knocking listening to recordings of other bands - I myself have had a bit of Haakon recently - but once you've familiarised yourself with how is goes in general, surely you put away the recording(s) and get on with rehearsing your own conductor's interpretation. Isn't that one of the reasons making live music is so interesting?

    Can you imagine listening to 20 identical performances of anything (let alone Shipbuilders) based around just one 'recommended' recording. If is was up to me I'd let bands listen to whichever recording(s) they wanted to (if indeed they wanted to at all) then let their M.D.s get on with their job.

    Perhaps with a bit of help from the score. :biggrin:
  9. brassbandmaestro

    brassbandmaestro Active Member

    Glad I'm not playing this piece. Loads of people love it. Cant understand why. From the first time I heard this piece, I havnt liked it one iota. Bit like Frank Bryce's Promenade. dont like that one either!!
  10. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

    For all the conductors training bands for this piece - you can save oodles of time in the last movement by inserting two or three rehearsal numbers/letters....
  11. 007ish

    007ish Member

    25.07.2008, 20:55
  12. 007ish

    007ish Member

    Can not believe that there have been no posting on this thread since 25.07.2008, 20:55. :rolleyes:
    Have all the qualifiers withdrawn and not told anyone :confused:
    Does no one have time to post because they are to busy practicing their parts :biggrin:
    It is still a week Saturday isn’t it :eek:

    ps. Sorry about previous post I took to long to edit it :(
  13. brassbandmaestro

    brassbandmaestro Active Member

    Thank goodness I'm not playing it. One of the most boring pieces out!
  14. Colin.Doran

    Colin.Doran Member

    This sound rather sad but i am sort of looking forward to playing this on Saturday. In all my years of playing this will be my first ever National finals !!!! even though it is in the 4th section !!!! that for people who know me. I am not belittling the 4th section. The picec is good nice bass part wich will do nicely for me.

    Regards Colin Doran BBb monkey any band will do ;)
  15. steve butler

    steve butler Active Member

    Boring ?
    I've played it through with South Milford a couple of times and its got a smashing bass part! I'll get my mate Wilky to write you a list of really boring pieces!!!

    Anyhow GO South Milford :tup

    Killer told me they were going to win by 15 points ;)
  16. brassbandmaestro

    brassbandmaestro Active Member

    Has it really? Can you email me the link?
  17. postie

    postie Member

    4th Section Draw

    Thanks to

    Test Piece:
    The Shipbuilders, Peter Yorke

    Chris Wormald & Richard Evans

    Commences: 09.30am

    Fourth Section Draw

    Amington, Wesley Kendrick, 5, Region: Midlands
    Brunel Brass, John Winterflood, 14, Region: West of England
    Cold Ash, Mike Clark, 13, Region: London & SC
    Croft Silver, Ian Needham, 18, Region: Midlands
    Crosskeys, Kerry Bowden, 1, Region: Wales
    Hemel Hempstead, Graham Weekes, 6, Region: London & SC
    Irvine & Dreghorn, D McKellar, 2, Region: Scotland
    Kirkby Lonsdale, Mark Buchanan, 19, Region: North of England
    Lofthouse 2000, Andrew Whitaker, 7, Region: Yorkshire
    Lostock Hall Memorial, John Wood, 11, Region: North West,
    Renfrew Burgh, David Hutcheson, 4, Region: Scotland
    Severn Tunnel, Andrea Ayres, 12, Region: Wales
    Skelmanthorpe B, Philip Garlick, 9, Region: Yorkshire
    South Milford Brass, Richard Wilton, 17, Region: North of England
    Tadley Concert Brass, Paul Chapman, 8, Region: London & SC
    Tarleton and District Brass, Gillian Bould, 3, Region: North West
    Thoresby Youth, Christine Gent, 20, Region: Midlands
    Totnes, Ian Wilkinson, Region: 16, West of England
    Uppermill, Alan Widdop, 15, Region: North West
    Wincanton Silver, B. Kelloway, 10, Region: West of England
  18. bassinthebathroom

    bassinthebathroom Active Member

    I see 4br are making their usual in depth academic musical observations. More nautical references than god knows what, and not one mention yet of words like intontation or balance yet... what a load of poop (deck).
    Anyway, good luck to Lostock Hall at No. 11, fingers crossed here for you all!
  19. brassbandmaestro

    brassbandmaestro Active Member

    I saw that to. Going a bit too far there really, yeah? They are far more capable than that! I cant remember wether they were like that with Vinter's JCC?
  20. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member


    1. Lostock Hall Memorial, John Wood, 11
    2. Uppermill, Alan Widdop, 15
    3. Amington, Wesley Kendrick, 5
    4. Brunel Brass, John Winterflood, 14, 180
    5. Renfrew Burgh, David Hutcheson, 4, 179
    6. Hemel Hempstead, Graham Weekes, 6, 178

    Best instrumentalist: Euph - Uppermill

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