National Finals - 1st Section Test Piece : Victorian Snapshots On Ratcliff Highway

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  1. Di

    Di Active Member

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    Order details and discussion for the National Finals First Section Test Piece :

    Victorian Snapshots on Ratcliff Highway – Ray Steadman-Allen
    Tel : (01933) 445445
     
  2. David Mann

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    Will they sell the score alone or a study score? I'd definitely buy one.
     
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    Band sets with full score are on the World of Brass website.

    If you'd like a score alone, please call 01933 445 445.
    There isn't a study score for On Ratcliff Highway but if we sense sufficient demand then I'll ask if we can do one.
     
  4. ROBTHEDOG

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    1st sight reading tonight all got through it no casualties, looking forward to doing some good work on it.

    Interesting trombone parts ! lots of 'pseudo' inebriate detail and character.

    As has been said elsewhere, worthy of concert performance too!
     
  5. RussQ

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    Recently recorded by YBS on their 'Essays for Brass' series. Awesome playing. Should be a good test.
     
  6. brassneck

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    Another recording to listen to is the New York Staff Band's one on Glorifico! released in 2005. It's lighter in style compared to the YBS recording but still enjoyable to audition and study.
     
  7. Bass Man

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    We just had our first crack at the piece. It's excellent, I can't wait to get well and truly stuck into it in the build up to the contest!!!!
     
  8. horny100

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    Sorry, must disagree with last few comments.......we must have played a different piece last night........"good test"....."excellent", not so sure????

    Is it what potential championship section bands wanted, or indeed needed?
     
  9. SoppyBoy

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    And if it hadn't been recorded by them, then there is no way it would have been chosen!!

    How on earth can a piece like this, which was composed without a thought for it ever being used in a contest setting, be something to look forward to rehearsing!! Even as a concert piece it's not great, so as a test for supposedly the best 1st section bands in the country... I always thought the Finals pieces were supposed to be more musically and technically challenging for the bands that had qualified from the Area's, and also used as preparation for those bands that had managed to get promoted to the Championship Section? I honestly believe that this piece could have been used in the 3rd Section.

    Can't wait for September so we no longer have to play this rubbish!!
     
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    "OOOOOOOOOOO said the crowd.........!!!!" ;)
     
  11. SuperMosh

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    lol - You pending National Champions then?:rolleyes:

    We haven't played it yet, but after listening to a few versions of it, I personally feel it will be a good test of bands. Maybe for a different thread but what makes one piece 'better' than an other in terms of suitability for the best first section bands in the country?
     
  12. Debra Smith

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    Am I the only person on here who does not get this piece of music. After reading all the rave reviews on the Mouthpiece I could not wait to listen to the first section finals test piece and when I did I was so disappointed!! Hopefully when we start rehearsing it I will start to enjoy it!
     
  13. Daniel Sheard

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    Have to say I agree with that. I found there was something "emperor's new clothes" like reading all the positive comments on 4BR and some on here.
     
  14. tenorhorndavid

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    This is a fantastic piece of music which will grow on you the more you play it. The first time I played it I wasn't too keen but now it grew on me after two or three practices. It also helps to know the story that the piece is trying to tell and in my opinion produces on the best and most effective finales to any piece of Salvation Army music.

    Trust me you will grow to love it!!
     
  15. Daniel Sheard

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    ? Having trombones play "drunk" by doing lots of glisses and "wrong notes"? Not really my cup of tea.
     
  16. ian perks

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    Im sorry with you on this one but not many bands will play this piece and i reckon a good number will treat it as a bit of a joke,and find they will come unstuck on it.
    Its a first class piece and it WILL test the bands cant wait to get stuck into it:clap:
     
  17. Morghoven

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    So only pieces that have been written specifically as test pieces and nothing else are fun to rehearse? If that's what you really think, then a) I feel very sorry for you and b) I am very sure you are in a tiny minority in banding.

    Then you must be thinking of a different piece to the one I am.

    It's easy to take lightly a piece that isn't massively technical, but in many ways those sorts of pieces are easier tests to 'pass'. This one will sort out ensemble, tuning, interpretation and the ability to tell a story in music. Not only is 'On Ratcliffe Highway' a brilliant piece of music, but it's a good follow-up to 'The Wayfarer' - the musical language is more advanced, but it poses similar challenges to the ones that so many bands frankly failed to meet back in March.
     
  18. ROBTHEDOG

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    There's always going to be a "can't satisfy everybody every time" but my initial listening and play through surely this make a change from the valve-oil burning mindless technique for the sake of it..

    There is a point that this is a test for the 'BEST' 1st section bands and maybe a bit easy - but they said that about The Wayfarer and what a mess many bands made of a suposedly 'easy' piece.

    Play what's on the score with entertaining interpretation !!

    Should be a test.

    BTW don't understand the comment "Wrong notes" ?? -
     
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  19. SoppyBoy

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    No, definitely not saying this at all. I love playing all types of music, whether it's playing in bands, orchestra's, test-pieces, light 'cheesy' concert music or whatever. There have been many pieces in the past that have been used and criticised by a majority that i have absolutely loved playing (Prague as an example!!)

    What i am saying is that i am disappointed that this piece of music has been chosen to test the 1st Section bands at the national finals. I listened to this piece a number of times before we actually received it, and my initial impressions were not great. I was determined to like it, and hopefully, as someone has stated, it might eventually grow on me.

    I do agree that many bands will not take it seriously, but i know we will and will try to put on a good performance. With all the controversy surrounding the choice of last year's finals piece, i would have thought the selection panel may have gone with something a little more 'traditional' (might not be the right word, but i'm sure you know what i mean)

    I honestly do like some of RSA's other pieces, and i think some of the music written for the SA has been great, and the movement is better for it. I apologise if my comments caused any offence, and i think my final comment in my first post was perhaps a little strong:oops:
     
  20. stotty74

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    Can't say i'm a fan of this piece. Listened to it before we got it, and when asked what i thought i said "interesting" ;-)

    I think the danger will be if some bands decide not to take it seriously. I know our MD will work us as hard on this piece as any other test piece. A LOT of bands under-estimated 'The Wayfarer', but after working so hard to get to the finals, surely the bands that have qualified will work equally as hard again?

    Northop have been in the 1st Section now for the last 3 years, and i'm not really sure what to make of the choice of test-pieces for the area's and finals. I think the best i can say is "interesting"...
     
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