National Championships of Great Britain - 2008 - Qualifying Bands - Second Section

Discussion in 'The Adjudicators' Comments' started by Di, Mar 30, 2008.

  1. Di

    Di Active Member

    National Brass Band Championships

    Sunday 28th September 2008

    International Conference Centre, Harrogate



    Results courtest
  2. glen miler

    glen miler Member

    When is the test piece announced??
  3. michellegarbutt

    michellegarbutt Supporting Member

    beginning of June
  4. Di

    Di Active Member

    Going on previous years, next weeks Bandsman probably. :)
  5. Roger Thorne

    Roger Thorne Active Member

    Results - courtesy of 4BR

    Test Piece:
    Rhapsodic Variations - My Strength, My Tower - Dean Goffin

    Jim Davies and Peter Roberts


    1. Point of Ayr, Michael Fowles, 16, 188
    2. Wardle and Anderson District Brass, Sean Conway, 6, 187
    3. Barton Town, Richard Evans, 2, 186
    4. YBS Concert Brass, Ian Craddock, 4, 184
    5. Tylorstown, Gary Davies, 1, 183
    6. City of Coventry, Stephen Cooper, 7, 182
    7. Haslingden and Helmshore, David Holland, 10, 181
    8. Bristol East and Kingswood, Roy Curran, 12, 180
    9. Slaithwaite, Barry Hudson, 15, 179
    10. Johnstone, Ray Tennant, 9, 178
    11. Alder Valley, Roger Burke, 11, 177
    12. Campbletown Brass, Craig Anderson, 5, 176
    13. Shrewton Silver, Michael Dunford, 14, 175
    14. Harborough, Chris Groom, 3, 174
    15. Murton Colliery, Dennis Noble, 8, 173
    16. Epsom & Ewell, Ted Howard, 13, 172

    Best instrumentalist:
    Solo cornet: Wardle and Anderson District Brass

  6. Masterblaster jnr

    Masterblaster jnr Active Member

    Well done to Point of Ayr and Mike Fowles, a band on the up and hopefully a nationals qualifier next year too
  7. cornetgirl

    cornetgirl Active Member

    Wooooot! Back after a long day and pleased with our result! Well done Barton and everyone who took part!!
    Rach x
  8. thanks masterblaster jnr. can i second that? super human effort by mike fowles and the band this last week...... the hard work paid off. i have to say that this is a brilliantly run contest with some fabulous backstage staff! as a perc player i have to say thanks to ray payne who makes life so easy for us all by supplying top notch equipment making this an even more enjoyable event. top marks to everyone involved!:tup:tup:tup
  9. DMBabe

    DMBabe Supporting Member

    Well done yourselves! Tojo kept me informed throughout the day! Amazed you all hadn't slipped into a coma with that draw so doubly well done!!!!!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
  10. Ali Woodman

    Ali Woodman New Member

    Firstly well done to the prizewinners, sounds like the adjudicators picked out the best performances which is how it should be. Didn't hear any bands due to a late draw but most people had Point of Ayr first, congrats to them.

    Secondly, this is the second year in a row I have played at Harrogate (last year with a 3rd section band), and I cannot think of another contest I have ever played at that has a worse atmosphere or general feel of 'nothing going on' than the this one.

    The acoustic is absolutely dire, the audience non-exisitant, and the whole place is a just a sterile conference venue just not suited to any form of music.

    The band I was helping out (Bristol East and Kingswood) travelled over 200 miles, spent thousands, for a weekend to play at approx 6.45 on a sunday night to one man and his dog. On top of that, we then have to sit through 20 minutes of repetitive euphonium tricks (great playing but not my cup of tea), then the contest promotors, sponsors etc thanking everyone over and over again, and finally some over camp guy making jokes about his black trainers.....somebody shoot me!!!!!

    Obviously some bands had already gone home, and I don't blame you. They really need to source another venue where they can have two sections playing at the same time so they can finish at a reasonable time.

    Also, why was it free to go in and listed to David Childs, but not to any of the competing bands. Perhaps they realised he would of also being playing to nobody.

    By the way, these are my personal views and not related to the band I played for.

    One big pat on the back to Ray Payne who supplied the Percussion...fantastic, great kit and couldn't do enough for us.

    Am I being over critical? What do you think?
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2008
  11. Chris Hicks

    Chris Hicks Member

    I personally think the confrence centre is far to big for the nationals. I've played there 3 times now this year in the 1st section, last year in the 2nd section and 3 years ago in the 3rd section!

    Not once has the hall even been half full!

    Yesterday for the first section i think there was at least 1/4 of empty seats for the results!

    It just to big a hall! Time for a change i think!

  12. cornetgirl

    cornetgirl Active Member

    We had similar issues off number 2 - lots of empty seats and no atmosphere. I've played in the place a lot thanks to years with Harrogate and also in previous incarnations in other musical ensembles and know it's a weird acoustic but it's so much nicer with a half-full house, believe me!
  13. critic

    critic Member

    No ithink you make some good points. at times the announcer is a embarrasment. and yes the acoustic is not the best
  14. themusicalrentboy

    themusicalrentboy Active Member

    Harrogate is an awful venue.

    it's at least twice as big as it should be, when you're playing on stage you can only hear the two or three people around you, the sponsors and corporate people take far too much time over their 'speech' before the results - not realising that some bands have been there for the weekend and have been waiting most of the day to play and the rest have been drinking and so couldn't give two hoots about some man in an expensive suit who wants to very publicly thank everyone but at the same time stress it was Kapitol who put in all the hard work.

    It is poorly thought out - everything is expensive in Harrogate, and to make you pay the prices for everything and THEN charge you some monstrous fee to listen to your own section is not only daylight robbery but complete and utter stupidity. If bandsman's tickets were issued then there would be more people in the hall to listen to everyone else - if I remember rightly in 2006 there were about 10 people in the hall all the way through the day for the first section which is frankly pathetic.

    it is possibly the most sterile, almost certainly the most expensive and definitely the most inappropriate venue for the lower section finals.
  15. Space Cowboy

    Space Cowboy Member

    I have to agree with Ali Woodman.

    It was my first time at Harrogate yesterdy and I thought the hall was just too big and the day too long.

    Of the venues I know I would use the Concert Hall and Theatre at the Royal Northern College of Music which seat appx 400 and 600 respectively compared to 1900 in Harrogate. Perhaps more importantly both have good accoustics. It would also mean 2 sections could run at the same time thus shortening the day. I would also be surprised if it's dearer to hire than the Harrogate Hall.
  16. BbBill

    BbBill Supporting Member

    Thats Campbeltown just got back from Harrogate, what a journey, 10hrs on a bus to get there on Sat and 10hrs today!

    Pity the trade stands packing up around 4pm, (about band 2?) altho there wasnt many folk about the hall at all and not much atmosphere throughout the whole place. We didnt bother going back to hall after we played and went to the hotel to get changed, and were well on the drink and having our meal in the restaurant next to Wetherspoons at results time. Felt we didnt put on our best performance so snubbed results for food and voddie! 4.30am we got to bed!!
  17. KMJ Recordings

    KMJ Recordings Supporting Member

    I wouldn't, having hired it....and the physical capacity and throughput in the RNCM could potentially compromise things as well.

    This debate was had last year wrt the RNCM....have a search around for it.
  18. Hornic

    Hornic Member

    Agree with all of the above, although if bands were allowed in (as in the past) there would be a better atmosphere and sense of occasion. It's all a bit flat.
    My band (YBS Concert) had a fab weekend but it was not the location or venue that made this. It's a very expensive weekend already, why penalise people who would listen to other bands in their section? Most players would only have the opportunity to listen to a few bands and should they be expected to pay ten pounds for this. When i walked on stage i would have much preferred to have a fuller audience made up of fellow musicians.
    I doubt if charging bandsmen/women proved a financial success. From the people i spoke to it only seemed to question where banding is going and is it only financially driven??
    Personally, i loved hearing the soloists and pianist but would have enjoyed hearing other bands in my section more.
  19. KMJ Recordings

    KMJ Recordings Supporting Member

    I don't disagree with any of the post....but at risk of starting the same circuitous discussion as in previous years, this contest isn't at it's most fundamental about banding it is a business venture and, as such, is designed to make money.
  20. themusicalrentboy

    themusicalrentboy Active Member

    designed to make money is alright in principle, but fleecing the people who make the event is not good business sense, especially as there is a wetherspoons just around the corner.