Musical Clichés...

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by BrianT, Jul 9, 2007.

  1. BrianT

    BrianT Member

    I'd like to extend the list of checks I apply when proof-reading scores and parts. Over the years I've played lots of clichéd trumpet parts that went "tum dada dum dum daah". What other type of part writing shout "Cliché!" to you? Also, how about anti-clichés - part writing that shouldn't work but does anyway? Interested to know...
  2. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Anything where the bass is written on the first and third crotchet beats of the bar, and has a four-crotchet run-down/up in every eighth bar. (And the horns on the off-beats usually!)

    But then, there's a lot of veryy good pieces that, when the score;s looked at, are one big cliche but if the Cliche works for the music, surely that's the important thing?

    Whether it's a cliche or not, if it works, it works!
  3. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    In the bridge passage of a modern-type concert march, the troms and snare drum with 4 semis on the last beat of the bar, sometimes muted. Goff Richards is a specialist at this one and I think Philip Sparke is guilty too.
  4. Cantonian

    Cantonian Active Member

    Any soprano or euphonium player who has played a Norman Bearcroft march or solo accompaniment will can tell you about musical cliches.
  5. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    Oh, almost forgot. Any composer who uses trombone glissandos for 'comedy' effect. It's just not funny. Even worse if the glissando doesn't work on the slide - something often overlooked by composers who should know better.
  6. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    I agree that it can be overdone, but I think there is a place for it, such as Malcolm Arnold's "Scottish Dances", so long as it is done well.
  7. DaveR

    DaveR Active Member

    And in The Acrobat! ;)
  8. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    "Have I scored this for a brass band?"
  9. Shaggy

    Shaggy New Member

    I dissagree about the Trombone glissando, it is a much needed extention of the limited Brass Band tonal palate, as indeed is the fact that the Trombone is not conical bore.

    One cliche that always ****es me off is the irrelevant, incongruous "rubato" section stuffed in the middle of an arrangement of a piece that never had this "expressive" section in the original. One that springs to mind is " I got Rythm" arranged by (I think) Goff Richards. The object seems to be to let the player and listener be fully aware that this piece has definately been "ARRANGED" and dont anyone damn well forget it!
  10. Alan MacRae

    Alan MacRae Member

    One of the worst cliches has to be the final verse of a song, up a tone!

    And any euph who has ever played an arrangement by Frank Bernaerts knows there's going to be a semiquaver run up the scale, somewhere in the piece.
  11. stevetrom

    stevetrom Well-Known Member

    or the big rall at the end of every verse, of every hymn tune :mad:
  12. Shaggy

    Shaggy New Member

    Dont get me going on the subject of rits and ralls! most Brass Bands put them in at every possible opportunity wether they are marked marked or not!
  13. Daisy Duck

    Daisy Duck Member

    My most hated musical cliche in brass band music is a big fortepiano chord at the end with a crescendo up to ff. WHY? It's such a .... cliche!
  14. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    . . . not forgetting the tam-tam in the penultimate bar ;)
  15. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

    *Runs away in a panic and asks Roger to alter the ending of "The Fairytale of New York"*...
  16. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

    Is this another hidden message, O witty Shagster?
  17. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    And the C-Major chord at FFF to finish, with a big bang on the bass drum.

    Mark my words, one day, somebody will write a test piece that ends in a minor key.....
  18. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Or even embrace 20th century musical thought and finish in some other fashion!

    Like 'Blitz'. Or 'Jazz'. Or various other examples that escape me at the moment.
  19. WoodenFlugel

    WoodenFlugel Moderator Staff Member

    Flugel solos that end with a pseudo-improvised cadenza, finishing up on a diminuendo-ing trill. Yuk! :ranting2:

    Sudden loud shock notes in quiet passages - though when done well (eg Variations on a Ninth etc) they can be very effecive. So a cliche and an anti-cliche.
  20. MartinT

    MartinT Member

    Rhapsody in Brass?

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