Music in the classroom

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  1. sugarandspice

    sugarandspice Active Member

    Am currently observing a Year one class in primary school, the teacher is a fellow brass player so we decided to play them black dyke's call or the cossack as an example of "fast music" in order to get them changed quicker for PE, it worked and they loved it!!

    Any ideas for any other music that could be incorporated into the classroom?
     
  2. Chris Sanders

    Chris Sanders Active Member

    Check your E-mail in about 50 seconds, and shhh... dont tell anyone what it is... ;)
     
  3. Naomi McFadyen

    Naomi McFadyen New Member

    Yea... play them drum music... and when they all decide they want lessons, send them upto Manchester and I'll teach them :p





    On a serious note though.... try some Mozart - cos it's suppose to make the brain more... brainy....
     
  4. DublinBass

    DublinBass Supporting Member

    Are you talking just for primary school or for all ages?

    For example, I used to teach my geology students the relative sizes of sediments (clay, silt, mud, sand, pebbles, cobbles & boulders) by putting them to the tune Do, Re, Mi from sound of music.

    Loads of other stuff I've done too, but only for the upper years.
     
  5. Big Twigge

    Big Twigge Active Member

    I produced a resource board to use in key stage one music lessons last year. It was interactive and the objective was to encourage children to observe the natural environment around them, and think about how the sounds we hear in nature could be represented using everyday school instrument.
    The children would be able to produce a very simple and basic graphical score on the board (using laminated pictures and velcro) and then follow the score and play the instruments.

    Just for the record I got a B+ for it..... one mark off an A ;)
     
  6. Di

    Di Active Member

    William Tell
    Theme from Dick Barton Special Agent (something or other galop)

    Got it Devils Galop. :biggrin:
     
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  7. mikelyons

    mikelyons Supporting Member

    At the risk of putting a damper on things, why not just teach them some music?

    We have just tested our Y7 intake to see what they know from what they are supposed to have been taught at KS2. Less than 1 in ten can recognise a crotchet, none of them seem to know what a treble clef is and notes on the staff are just 'blobs'.:rolleyes: :mad:

    We have to get GCSE results from this mess. Your secondary schools will thank you. Trust me.
     
  8. Maestro

    Maestro Active Member


    Well said Mike.
    We have just tried to find out what our year 7s know. It's the same story here.
     
  9. sugarandspice

    sugarandspice Active Member

    Oh but we do!! I'm just a sad brass band freak thats trying to find an excuse to play brass at every oppurtunity!!

    Did music with the reception class on friday (it was only their third day of school!!), very good, obviously very simple, just got them singing and clapping in time, some of them were really getitng it by the end :) And we did some patterns with instruments with the year ones, they really enjoyed it :)

    All i can say mike is have no fear, when i am music co-ordinator my little people will be amazing before they even get out of KS1, let alone KS2 :) Get them interested in it while they are young, and they will want to do well at it later on :) and obviously brass music is going to do that!!
     
  10. mikelyons

    mikelyons Supporting Member

    Please move up here. Wigan needs a musician in Primary schools!
     
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  12. Pythagoras

    Pythagoras Active Member

    Not a music teacher, but from conversations with music teachers at school, it seems to me that all music lessons now are about expressing your inner self and what colour the music is or name a word that comes in your head when you hear this music, and never actually things like 'the third line up on the treble clef is b' or what time signatures mean. Obviously music shouldn't be all dry theory, but there should be some!
     
  13. DublinBass

    DublinBass Supporting Member

    Pythagoras...I'm surprise you don't use some music when teaching fractions

    (ie crochet, quaver, semiquaver, blank, crochet, quaver, quaver - what must the missing notes be?)
     
  14. sugarandspice

    sugarandspice Active Member

    Wheres Wigan?!
     
  15. Chris Sanders

    Chris Sanders Active Member

    follow the smell of the fray bentos!!

    Wigans in the greatest county in the land...
     
  16. Redhorn

    Redhorn New Member

    Here, Here!!! Good shout!

    One of my biggest annoyances is that we have to cover KS1 & 2 music in about 2 weeks at the start of Year 7, before we even think about KS3! Our kids come from a lot of different feeder schools, some did music- the majority didnt! Today with our Year 7's we are practising drawing treble clefs........................... I'll try to stay awake! ;)
     
  17. mikelyons

    mikelyons Supporting Member

    Of course the problem is that most primary schools can't afford to have a music specialist. Even though the gov'mint says they have to teach National Curriculum, most simply don't have the resources or staff. It's not their fault, but we have to pick up the pieces and we are held to account if there are no pieces to pick up (if you see what I mean).


    BTW bbbrec, we have over 60 feeder primaries!:eek: You can imagine the mish-mash of range of experience we get.:rolleyes:
     
  18. yonhee

    yonhee Active Member

    oooh music was great at primary school! We sang lots of songs in reception! And in reception and year one we did loads of percussion stuff and listened to peter and the wolf with all the flutes and stuff. It was so cool.
    But then we hardly did anything except we did some singing thing which loads of other schools did... And when I was in year 6 this person from the music centre came and we did percussion and people who played instruments played them. We never really learnt about all the blobs on the paper though.
     
  19. sugarandspice

    sugarandspice Active Member

    Right then, heres the deal, you help me retake my A level Music, and i'll sort out all your little year 7's :)

    Seriously tho, you dont HAVE to be able to read music to do music at GCSE, we had a few in our class who couldnt, they used graphical scores and such like. Curriculam music should be enjoyed by everyone, not only those capable of reading music?
     
  20. mikelyons

    mikelyons Supporting Member

    I disagree. Music has a pitifully small vocab compared to other languages. It should be possible to learn it better than they do, but most of them just CBA. The children inherit their parents' and school's low opinions of music at an early age and therefore we have a country with such a poor tradition of music. Example - name five high quality English composers born between 1700 and 1900. Now do the same for Italians, Germans/Austrians and even Frenchmen. Much easier, isn't it.

    5 years ago I wouldn't even consider entering a child who couldn't read music. Even now, it is difficult if you can't follow a traditional score, but we do enter pop/rock musicians who can't read. They don't, generally, do as well as classically trained musicians, but they do pass. Mostly.

    Personally, I disagree. Strongly. It seems to me that it is part of the culture that 'anyone can do anything' That's *******s. In the case of an art, like music or painting or whatever, if you aren't born with the ability to perceive or understand that particular medium, you should not be doing it. If you have that ability (for music in this case) you should be encouraged to learn how to write it down as well as communicate it in performance. If you really love what you do, then that is what you will want to do. You will want some sense of permanence in your work. If not, you should find out what you are good at and devote yourt efforts to that. Everybody is good at something. Nobody is good at everything.
     
  21. Redhorn

    Redhorn New Member

    True..... but the problem you then get is that they enjoy it so much that they want to take GCSE music.... and can get by cos as you say they dont need to be able to read music...... they get a very good GCSE grade....... and then want to do A Level Music......

    ....thats where the problems begin big time!!
     
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