More Music Education cutbacks!!

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by davidquinlan, Dec 20, 2004.

  1. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

  2. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Well-Known Member

    Exeter has been thinking of closing that department for many years - I remember signing a petition to keep it open whilst an ex-student of mine was there. That must have been 5 or 6 years ago.
    And this the day after the South Bank Show saying how marvellous the music education system currently is in this country:rolleyes:
  3. bigmamabadger

    bigmamabadger Active Member

    Who needs chemistry or music when you can do meejastudies and communications?*
    One reason we chose the school we did for LittleBabyBadger, was the fact that they are very keen on music, and the headmistresses eyes lit up when I said I was a brass player, "We haven't got any brass at the moment" she said, a calculating look on her face...
    But what's the point of encouraging children to play if they won't be able to continue studies to a professional level? As well as getting people started there needs to be provision for continuiation.

    *Apologies to all genuine media students, but they are NOT proper subjects...
  4. Craigsav83

    Craigsav83 Active Member

    I couldn't agree more. As a Chemistry/Geology student and a brass player, these things are really worrying. The 'real' subjects are being replaced by more 'mickey mouse' subjects.

    It really is a shocking state of affairs if a University are thinking about closing Chemistry and Music departments.

    I hope an alternative can be found rather than closure.
  5. alanl58

    alanl58 Member

    I gather from the local news (ITV Westcountry) that the students and their parents are considering legal action to prevent the closures. I am not sure what effects this will have, but wish them every sucess.

    Alan L
  6. Naomi McFadyen

    Naomi McFadyen New Member

    I heard they are definatly scrapping the music side at Exeter Uni... as trumpetmike says, they've been talking about it for sometime....
    So... once it's gone, that leaves Dartington the only place left for music in Devon...

    I hope the parents that fight for the closure get somewhere...
    I know someone who only started their in September.... What a mess :-?

    They'll probably be bringing in the Computer Game degrees....
  7. Craigsav83

    Craigsav83 Active Member

  8. Naomi McFadyen

    Naomi McFadyen New Member


    You know, people get paid very good money for trying out new games n stuff....
    I may change subjects to do this if the music biz doesn't work out :p ;) They have the degree for it at Salford as well..... 8) mmm, in fact, I may do it anyway :-D :lol:
  9. Craigsav83

    Craigsav83 Active Member

    I suppose :-?

    It's all about money at the end of the day (both for the University and the student), and that's where all these 'random' degrees are appearing from, replacing the 'traditional' degrees. Modernisation - who needs it? Pah! :|
  10. Naomi McFadyen

    Naomi McFadyen New Member

    yup... but in a way, isnt it nice to have degrees that the ... "not so bright people" can do.... but ashame they have to get rid of the subjects that are in demand to fit them in....

    mmm, makes sense :-? Dont you just love the government... or, whoever decides this stuff.... :rolleyes:
  11. Craigsav83

    Craigsav83 Active Member

    I can understand why, but don't you feel this de-values the point of a degree? Just my own opinion, but for a science degree you need to work ****** hard, while some of these 'random' degrees require just a few hours per week. There was a guy at my work who in his second year had 7 hours of teaching time per week. I'm on about 24 in my first year.

    This is just my opinion, I don't want to upset anyone! ;)
  12. Naomi McFadyen

    Naomi McFadyen New Member

    Yea i know where you are coming from :)

    To some people though, the easier life is quite appealing... me, for one... :lol: But I still work hard for what I want to achieve in life... At least people go on these degrees, no matter how easy or hard they are... (I mean, you can just buy a degree without doing a thing, albeit, in America, I believe... ) But, if its what the individual wants to do, so be it... If someone is good at playing computer ganes, have a degree in it... whoo for them...

    Most jobs nowadays need you to have some sort of qualification to "prove" what you can do... so, maybe this is why these "random" degrees are becoming more so....

  13. Craigsav83

    Craigsav83 Active Member

    I suppose....:|

    For me it was between Geology/Chemistry and music. I chose science over music purely because of the job/postgrad oppertunities when I finish my course.
    Evenyone has their specialist subject and should be allowed to progress, but I will never understand the removal of subjects (especially chemistry) from any University.
  14. Naomi McFadyen

    Naomi McFadyen New Member

    Yea, its crazy removing subjects like chemistry... but surely there must be a reason for this.... maybe the courses arent popular enough, so the departments dont get enough funding to carry on... sad as it may be....

    You wouldnt see this happen in places like Cambridge or Oxford though.
  15. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Well-Known Member

    I had about 7 hours of lectures in my first year at university, about 6 in my second and a grand total of about 4 in my final year. What rapidly adds to that, however, is the daily 4 hour practice routine on primary instrument, a couple of hours on my secondary and a fair number that I spent in the library listening to every possible CD, tape and LP, doing research on different styles of performance.
    Lecture times are not all that matter.
    Just so you know - not upset, just trying to show how the actual time spent in the lecture hall is not all that should be taken into the equation.

    As for the new style of degrees, who is to say that in 50 years time a degree in "computer game roleplay" (or whatever they are thinking of bring in) won't be the most desired degree possible?

    I have been to Exeter University a few times (heck, I've even done some teaching for them) and I am very upset that it has chosen to shut the department.

    If there is an online petition anywhere, please spread the word - music education is in a bad enough state in this country already without a university being forced to shut a department.
  16. Craigsav83

    Craigsav83 Active Member

    I assume that was some sort of music degree, I fully appreciate the practice time, I try to squash in an hour a day myself if I can find one. The chap I was referring to is doing some sort of business degree, and thats pretty much all he did for his first two years.
  17. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Same here, I chose Computer Science over Music when I left school all those years ago, purely to ensure that I would have decent employment prospects. Now in my 10th year working as a software engineer (for the same company!). I witnessed the bubble grow and burst!! :)
    I would like to say that it takes a very high degree of skill and competence in order to WRITE at computer game. To "test" it (i.e. play with it) doesn't! I don't play computer games, they are an utter waste of time, completely unproductive.

    Music is something that I always studied in my spare time.. I have just completed a Diploma in Music with the Open University. However, it is important that Music (and other subjects such as Chemistry) are available for people to study at primary degree level!!
  18. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    No, they'll just bleed their paying-up-front foreign students dry to obtain sufficient funding...

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