Masters Results

Discussion in 'The Adjudicators' Comments' started by sparkling_quavers, May 25, 2003.

  1. sparkling_quavers

    sparkling_quavers Active Member

    nah there are not out yet. Obviously everybody is in Cambridge because nobody has been on tMP!

    4bars have published their opinions

    4BR Unofficial Result:

    1. YBS (1st, 1st, 2nd)
    2. Fodens Richardson (2nd, 2nd, 1st)
    3. Flowers (3rd, 5th, 4th)
    4. Fairey (6th, 3rd, 3rd)
    5. Travelsphere (4th, 6th, 7th)
    6. Brighouse and Rastrick (8th, 4th, 5th)
    Dark Horses Yorkshire Imps and Leyland

    Official results from 9pm-ish (will probably be in the pub by then :shock: )
    Lets hope you've all had a good day and done your bit in advertising tMP :D

    So how close were the guys at 4bars and tMPers predictions??!
  2. jonford

    jonford Member

    Here are the full results:

    1. Leyland
    2. Fodens
    3. YBS
    4. Brighouse & Rastrick
    5. Flowers
    6. Sellers International
    7. Travelsphere
    8. The Fairey Band
    9. Yorkshire Imps Urquart Travel
    10. Aveley and Newham
    11. Besses o' th' Barn
    12. Rothwell Temp
    13. Redbridge
    14. JAG Mount Charles
    15. Ever Ready
    16. Carlton Main
    17. Ransome
    18. Thoresby
    19. Jaguar Coventry
    20. Glossop Old
    21. SWT Woodfalls

    Well done to Leyland! what does everyone think of the results?
  3. the fish

    the fish Member

    Well done Leyland :!: :!:

    How's the head Darth Tuba :?:
  4. Heather

    Heather Member

    Yeah! Well Done Leyland!!!
    Its nice to see their name at the top again!
  5. DaveK

    DaveK New Member

    Well done Chris!!!!!
  6. jonford

    jonford Member

    More interestin with the breakdown of points!

    1. Leyland (2,3,5)
    2. Fodens (1,8,2)
    3. YBS (4,6,1)
    4. Brighouse & Rastrick (6,2,6)
    5. Flowers (10,4,3)
    6. Sellers International (11,1,10)
    7. Travelsphere (3,14,8 )
    8. The Fairey Band (9,13,4)
    9. Yorkshire Imps Urquart Travel (7,12,7)
    10. Aveley and Newham (8,16,11)
    11. Besses o' th' Barn (5,19,12)
    12. Rothwell Temp (12,5,20)
    13. Redbridge (15,10,14)
    14. JAG Mount Charles (21,7,15)
    15. Ever Ready (20,15,9)
    16. Carlton Main (14,20,13)
    17. Ransome (17,11,19)
    18. Thoresby (13,17,18 )
    19. Jaguar Coventry (19,9,21)
    20. Glossop Old (16,21,16)
    21. SWT Woodfalls (18,18,17)

    (had to edit because it was putting 8) 8 ) for some bands!)
  7. sparkling_quavers

    sparkling_quavers Active Member

    wahey well done Chris...

    some very interesting results on the breakdown though! :shock:
  8. Roger Thorne

    Roger Thorne Active Member

    Congrats to Chris and Bren (and the rest of the Band) on a fantastic result - Well Done.

    We'll expect you back from Cambridge about Thursday then!! :lol:

    :guiness :guiness

  9. Roger Thorne

    Roger Thorne Active Member

    Very Interesting. :?

    The three adjudicators John Berryman, Eric Crees and David Read are all well respected gentlemen when it comes to adjudicating, but they were definitely singing off different song sheets yesterday. Firstly, I wasn't at the contest so don't shoot me down because I didn't hear any of the bands, but looking at the statistics John Berryman and David Read were very close with their markings and bands appear with two or three points of each other (which is what you would expect at this level) But Eric Crees placings of the bands is not in line with the other two. Is this because he was the tie-breaker judge? or simply looking for something completely different.
    To use an example; John Berryman placed Sellers Band 11th. David Read placed them 10th. Eric Crees placed them 1st. At this level of banding how can you place so many points between bands if the adjudicators are all looking for the same details?
    What would be interesting to know is whether the adjudicators commented at the draw as to what they were looking for or was there any mention from the stage before the results as to how they arrived at their respective results. I would expect results of this nature to be associated with, say the Spennymoor entertainments contest but a set work at Championship level it does make you think!

    One theory I have is that Eric Crees must have been logged on to tMP all day and obvioulsy paid more attention to reading the posts on here than listening to the bands. :lol:

    Anyway there's nothing like opening another 'can of worms' on a Bank Holiday Monday.

  10. satchmo shaz

    satchmo shaz Active Member

    yes I agree with you roger! strange is'nt it!
    BTW who is eric crees...........I've never heard of him! :?:
  11. Roger Thorne

    Roger Thorne Active Member

    Eric Crees - Biography:

    Eric Crees was born in London & studied at Wandsworth School, where in the famous boy's choir, he worked with many distinguished professional orchestras & conductors. Of particular importance was the school's long association with Benjamin Britten, who wrote a solo part for Eric in the Children's Crusade.

    While at school he was awarded a scholarship to study at the Guildhall School of Music & Drama, & as a student undertook an extensive period of work with the Philip Jones Brass Ensemble. Upon graduating from the University of Surrey, where he won the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society's 'Joyce Dixey Award' for composition, he joined the London Symphony Orchestra, where he spent twenty-seven years, twenty as Co-Principal Trombone. In September 2000, he was appointed Principal Trombone at The Royal Opera House, Covent Garden.

    As conductor and arranger, Eric has directed the London Symphony Orchestra Brass for many years, & has worked with the world's most distinguished ensembles and brass bands in concerts, recordings and television and radio broadcasts. Eric's brass arrangements have received great acclaim and have been played worldwide. Many of these are present on the two albums recorded for Collins Classics, Amerloan Brass & Cathedral Brass with the LSO Brass, and the Cala Records albums The London Trombone Sound & The London Horn Sound. He has also made a new performing edition of the complete instrumental ensemble sonatas & canzonas of Giovani Gabrieli for a world premiere recording with the LSO Brass, for Naxos and Marco Polo Records.

    Eric Crees is also an internationally renowned teacher & is Professor of Trombone and Conductor of Wind, Brass & Percussion at the Guildhall of Music & Drama. He is a frequent coach at music colleges & specialist schools both in the UK & abroad, including the National Youth Orchestra of Great Britain, the Ulster Youth Orchestra and the Pacific Youth Orchestra in Japan. Many of his students now hold important orchestral & teaching positions throughout the world. In 1991, he was made a Fellow of the School.

    Eric Crees is in great demand as a juror for international competitions, such as the Donatella Flick Conducting competition, the Leonard Berstein Conducting Competition, in Jerusalem, the Narbonne International Quintet Competition, the National Brass Championships, the European Brass Band Championships and the All England Masters Brass Band Championship.

  12. satchmo shaz

    satchmo shaz Active Member

    busy chap then!!....... i wondered if he had a different musical background to us brass banders :wink:
  13. IYOUNG

    IYOUNG Member

    For what its worth I listened to 15 yesterday and as most people in the hall, thought the usual suspects YBS and Fodens were streets ahead with Flowers, Leyland and Travelsphere behind. Faireys was very interesting and very well played but obviously not to the taste of the 3 adjudicators.
    Besses to were a fascination for me loads of control from Mr Sykes and band I found that to my liking.

    So I know the bands voted for it but what benefit is there in having 3 adjudicators when year after year one of them has a differing view / taste to the other two ? What is the point here ?

    Also did anyone else find like I did the day the most muted atmosphere at a Masters for quite a few years ? where was everyone?

    Oh and finally when will the organisors learn that us the punters want the contest, perhaps a 30 minute slot of entertainment ( as the result calculation here is obviously so complicated! ) followed by the result.

    With the greatest respect to Sellers and Leyland who both tried very hard to entertain to a less than half full hall its not want we want.

    Fine, if you want a Gala concert then have one, finish the contest at say 5.00pm ( 18 bands would have done yesterday ) results by 5.30pm then let the punters have some grub and return to the gala concert if they wish,

    Sorry bit of a rant there !!!

    Anyway congratulations to Leyland, great to see them back at the top again.
  14. IckleSop

    IckleSop Active Member

    Well done Leyland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. Aidan

    Aidan Active Member

    yeah well done to all the fp's at leylando :)

    cheers for the comments iyoung, ste sykes is the boy!

    the results are always dodgy at the masters as far as the opinions of adjudicators go.. always seems to be 2 and an oddball ;)
    this year we got 5, 10 and 19, while last year we got 3, 11, 19 :)
    i feel sorry for fodens :D gutted, same happened to ybs for last couple of years too.. getting like two 1sts and a 12th or something silly like that :D
  16. sudcornet

    sudcornet Member

    Congrats Leyland....great effort. We've just got back and I'm shortly going for a kip as last night's supping contest was hard work....made even harder as someone forgot to put a bar in our hotel...duh!
    I don't like griping about adjudicators, but, I tend to agree with the previous posts on this one. We had two sets of closely matched, positive remarks and one nit-picking slagging off. Still, that's contesting!
  17. Get in there Leyland!

    about time we had a decent result
    congrats to fodens and ybs who jst missed out and everyone else who competed
    The band was getting fairly annoyed with having to do the gala concert thing, a lot of standing about doing nothing, and no real drinking til about 10, but the day finished on a high for the band

    Eb Bass - Leyland
  18. Darth_Tuba

    Darth_Tuba Active Member

    Hi everyone, just got back! Thanks for all the congrats everyone! I now have no voice after all the shouting on stage and a severe lack of sleep (due mostly to the beer and in part to the snoring of Mr. Warder our bass trom!). We couldn't have done it, obviously, without Garry Cutt... the man is class.

    Well done to Fodens and YBS who on another day could easily have been top!

    Right I'm off for some sleep!

    P.S. If you want three adjudicators to think the same thing, why have three of them? :wink:
  19. Darth_Tuba

    Darth_Tuba Active Member

    Oh, by the way, nice picture Ben! :?
  20. Bones

    Bones Member

    Hi Chris,

    Well done to all at leyland and send my best wishes to Bren, I'm sure he was over the moon.



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