Le Carnaval Romain - Errata or newer score?

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by AndyCat, Jan 11, 2011.

  1. AndyCat

    AndyCat Active Member

    We're playing off an ancient version of Carnaval Romain, and I wondered if there had been a later printing of the same arrangement?

    The Bass and Euph parts are wrong on the one we have, clearly not matching the orchestral version at one specific point, but I don't know if we dare play at as Berlioz intended or not!

    I'm sure when I've played it at concerts with other bands, we've changed it, but for t'Area it could be too much of a risk?
     
  2. James Yelland

    James Yelland Active Member

    Why not write to your adjudicator and ask him what he would like to hear?
     
  3. AndyCat

    AndyCat Active Member

    That would be a good idea besides the fact that other bands would then read in to it more than there is. So I won't.
     
  4. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    My guess is you'll be assessed on what Frank Wright put on the paper, rather than what Berlioz originally meant.

    Otherwise I'm sure someone somewhere would have played (either version of) Les Preludes in Brass band D in stead of E-flat, to put it back in the original key.... And stop the 'Storm' sequence from being needlessly difficult

    The chances are that if you lay in a new set, you'll be greeted by a photocopy of the sat you already have anyway....
     
  5. Colin.Doran

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  6. tubafran

    tubafran Active Member

    tut tut

    " At a recent Kapitol Promotions forum meeting it was proposed that regions add to the information sent to bands entering the Area Contest that
    "direct contact with adjudicators prior to or after the contest, regarding the contest, by any member of a band could be actionable under Rule 22(c) "
     
  7. AndyCat

    AndyCat Active Member

    No, it's not that sort of issue. A bar is in the wrong place, Not a transposition, wrong note, harder key thing. I'm not that daft!
     
  8. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Or pester someone on your area committee to do it for you.
     
  9. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    I wasn't suggesting you were.

    I was merely suggesting that Frank Wright's misdemeanours against scoring are well known - such that I would not be at all surprised if you were entirely correct and a bar genuinely is in the wrong place.

    However, I would expect that the adjudicator will be looking for the bands to play what is on the paper, right or wrong - unless the publisher lays out errata for the score. And if they have done so, google isn't aware of it.
     
  10. AndyCat

    AndyCat Active Member

    Just spoke to Kapitol, and now I have to speak to Alan Hope from the music panel. Will update when I know. I presume we'll all just play it wrong in the end!
     
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  12. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    Changed days indeed to when publishing errors were dealt with on the stand and not thought much of afterwards.
     
  13. AndyCat

    AndyCat Active Member

    There will be a short investigation by Alan Hope (he thinks I'm right, as the old score he has has it scribbled correctly!) and then an announcement either way on the Kapitol website in due course!
     
  14. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    Good on you for getting this addressed quickly. :clap:
     
  15. AndyCat

    AndyCat Active Member

    We received an email from the Regional Committee last night informing us that the score is, indeed, incorrect.
     
  16. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Any chance you could post the specifics of the error, please?
     
  17. AndyCat

    AndyCat Active Member

    in Euph and Basses, at L there should be rests in 2nd AND 3rd Bar, then music in 3rd bar is 4th bar. So the 2 semiquaver runs are in sequence without a bars rest in between. As far as i can remember without any music!

    As any orchestral (or even band) recording sounds.
     
  18. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    OK, thanks; makes sense, also ties up with Eulenberg Orchestral Score ...
     
  19. Colin.Doran

    Colin.Doran Member

    Thats the one it should match the other semiquaver sequences in that passage. I am sure we didn't spot this when we did it in the senior cup all those years ago and I recall we still manages 2nd that year ;)
     
  20. you-ff

    you-ff New Member

    I agree. There's a free full orchestral score available from http://imslp.org/wiki/Le_carnaval_romain,_H_95_(Berlioz,_Hector). It looks as if figure 10 in that orchestral score is the same as rehearsal mark 'L' in the brass band score. If so then the bottom two lines (cello and double bass?) show how the euphonium and bass parts should be written in the brass band transcription.
     
  21. you-ff

    you-ff New Member

    EDIT: there's an update on the Kapitol errata page: http://www.nationalbrassbandchampionships.com/index.php?id=24 describing exactly this correction.
     
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