How many of you are sick and tired of "Obvious" adjudicating anomalies?? I have known many fine top section "Star" players in my time, who have failed abysmally with a stick in their hand (My current Conductor excluded !) In my opinion, no one should be allowed to adjudicate at contests unless they have been a successful, prize winning CONDUCTOR. However brilliant a player a guy/gal may be, or have been (Stars included) , in my opinion, if they have not CONDUCTED winning performances at a respectable level then they are not qualified to judge their peers - what we have is "Players judging players" - We should be judged by those who have accredited experience of contesting success with a baton.. This is where the rot lies - just look at the list of most employed judges - there are many famous names there, how many of them have conducted a band to success at the top level ?? With regard to the comment on 4br that Keith Wardle is "Bitter and Twisted" - anyone who knows Keith will tell you that he just speaks as he finds (Perhaps with a hint of cynicism !) - but his comments are always made with the good of our movement at heart. I'm on holiday for 2 weeks now, but I will be interested to read your response on my return - We MUST feel satisfied that those who judge us are at least acquainted with a successful baton.