Is there life after Arban?

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by bardsandwarriors, Nov 8, 2006.

  1. I have been practicing the studies and solos at the end of Arban. When I can play them all, what book should I get to keep improving?
  2. HBB

    HBB Active Member

    Vizutti 1 2 and 3 are a good set!
  3. Kiz7

    Kiz7 Member

    I'd go back to the beginning and start again! Always something new to learn in the Arban - even if it's just taking the tempo up (or down if necessary) on a particular study. Have you played every single exercise to the best of your ability? If so, 'nuff respect to you!
  4. Hold that respect ;) I can't play them very well yet. But I reckon I will!
  5. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    - move on to exercise books that cover modern examples of rhythmns and intervals. Arban only suits the type of music it covers.
  6. James Yelland

    James Yelland Active Member

    The studies and solos reflect the styles and techniques prevalent at the time they were written - which was in the middle of the century before last. Study books which reflect the vast changes in musical style which have occurred since then (collectively referred to as 'the 20th century'), and the new and newly-emphasised techniques ought to be your next port of call. Unless, of course, you are intending to embark on a specialist career in florid, formulaic Victorian parlour pieces...
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2006
  7. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Well-Known Member

    Play the whole of Arban up an octave;)

    In combination with a great teacher (and a large amount of musical ability), Arban can be used to learn every aspect of brass playing. It takes some serious thinking about, but it possible.

    Herbert L. Clarke Technical Studies is a good companion book to the Arban.
  8. Flugelmahorn

    Flugelmahorn Member

    Absolutely! I do most of my practice from the Vizutti and it's working very well for me. Vizutti's stuff is definitely aimed at a more "modern genre". Other books (as mentioned here) are the Clarke Technical Studies, Clarke Characteristic Studies, Schlossberg and one that I'd never heard of before, but the Ernest Piper "Well Tempered Clavier" based on the works of Bach. That'll sort you out. :)
  9. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    - what jazz/blues does Arban recommend with all the skills required to master that genre?
  10. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Scale and Broken Chord studies, the building blocks of all genres of music.
  11. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    - doesn't teach you to swing or improvise though! (or read from chord progressions either) ;)
  12. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Swing as we know it, didn't exist as a musical concept when the book was written.
    No book will teach you to improvise. Improvisation is something you learn by doing, but first you must be familiar with scales and chords. The arban does focus on the major and minor varieties (there are more), but I'd say that this would be enough to work with when learning.
    You could do an analysis of the 14 Studies at the end of the book, e.g. take No 6 and work out the chord progression, it's quite straight forward as most of the bars contain arrpeggios.....
  13. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    Arban doesn't cover jazz-blues scales that are primarily modal in nature and have to be intergrated into one's recognition memory. Other related styles from the Latin dance have to recognised as well. We will have to agree to disagree about this one!
  14. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Arban doesn't cover time signatures like 5/8 ....
    Arban doesn't cover upper high register...
    Arban doesn't cover pedal tones...

    We could go on all day :) getting back to the original question, "Is there life after Arban?" I would have to say NO, it should be part of your practice all of the time.
    You will have to supliment with other study books, say for example, if you wanted to learn modal scales, play exercies in complex time signatures, work on upper high register.. etc etc etc...
  15. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Well-Known Member

    Please reread my WHOLE post - "In combination with a great teacher (and a large amount of musical ability)"

    A great teacher and a student who wishes to put some effort into learning the instrument can come up with exercises to cover anything using the exercises in Arban.

    OK, Arban doesn't cover 5/8 - take a regular exercise and change it. Extend the last beat by a quaver.
    Doesn't cover upper register - take it up an octave. Too easy? Take it up two octaves!
    Doesn't cover pedal tones - take it down an octave.
    Doesn't cover blues scales - play the same exercises, but alter them to the blues scale.
    Doesn't cover pentatonic - change the exercises.
    Doesn't cover improvisation - amazing how many jazz trumpeters swear by the Arban though. It does cover much of the fundamental harmonic structure that you will be using in the genre. Use the exercises and etudes as starting blocks for your improvisation. If you need to learn how to swing, a lesson with a great teacher is going to be more beneficial than buying a new book - and yes, they can probably teach you using the Arban.

    Take a look at many of the jazz instruction books and see how many of them have exercises very similar to those found in Arban, St Jacome, Clarke, Vizzutti etc. The only difference is that they have the word "swing" in the top left corner.

    The point I was trying to make in my first post (which was quite rushed, needed to go out and teach) was that you can buy as many books as you wish but a good teacher will be more valuable than any book.
    There are numerous books that I use in my teaching, even more that I have used in my own development, yet I return to the Arban more often than any other.
    There are books devoted to contemporary techniques, various time signatures, extreme high register playing, jazz style and just about everything else, but there is a very strong reason that the Arban is commonly known as The Bible.

    I am more than happy to list a number of books (especially if there is a specific area of style that you are wishing to explore further) but I am not sure that there are any that can be as all encompassing as Arban. Yes, if you are looking to explore other avenues of performance you will need to do some thinking to enable Arban to be used in these ways, but it IS possible.
    Maynard Ferguson was a great advocate of Arban - yet he was a player that exceeded the range and style of the book by some considerable amount. If it was good enough for The Boss, it is probably good enough for most of us mere mortals.

    bardsandwarriors - what is it you are wishing to do with your playing?
    If there is something specific you are wishing to develop, I am more than happy to suggest books that might be aimed at your specific needs. Asking such a general enquiry as "what is there after Arban" is a bit wide - personally, if you can play Arban cover to cover, I would say you are doing rather well and able to tackle the vast majority of music you are ever likely to come across.
  16. Good question. I was thinking, mainly, of improving technical ability for use in brass bands. But there are other way I'd like to improve, eg. improvising, understanding key sequences, jazz and blues techniques (but without the high notes), etc - everything that I'd need to join in with a rock/folk band, or to busk, or even (eventually, possibly) find work as a session musician.
  17. MissBraz

    MissBraz Active Member

    This is probably a stupid question but can you sill buy the arben now?! And if you can where can i get one ;)
  18. horn-girlie

    horn-girlie Member

    you can definately buy them still, just phone up any music shop and even if they don't stock it they should be able to order you one in!
  19. MissBraz

    MissBraz Active Member

  20. on_castors

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