Is the writing on the wall for Labour?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by Andy_Euph, Jun 11, 2004.

  1. Andy_Euph

    Andy_Euph Active Member

    After Labour losing a load of seats in yesterdays local elections, is the writing on the wall that come next year the country will vote for a new party to try and clean up some of the mess... just as long as its not the tories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  2. Dave Euph

    Dave Euph Member

    Well, personally I'd rather have Labour than Tories, and at the moment, they seem to be the only two parties capable of winning. I still reckon the generals will be a winner for them ... but they're on the slide.
  3. Naomi McFadyen

    Naomi McFadyen New Member

    Kinda glad Labour have lost some seats, but I did vote for them in the general elections 3 years ago (whenever it was... I was 18)... Oopps.

    Don't want Tories getting back into power again... would rather see Liberals have a go... they talk a lot of sense... although, dont they all when they want the power?! :lol:

    OK, I'm gonna sod politics for now... I care, but I dont... :?

    :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
  4. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Local elections and National elections often don't match very well in results - William Hague and the Tory party 'won' the last local election by not much less than the Tories won the recent one.

    We need a rotation of power - the two-term maximum is one thing the Americans have right; think when Maggie Thatcher lost her popularity. A chance for the Lib Dems at national level would be a refreshing change, but a term for the Tories would be far better for the country than another 5 years under Labour. It doesn't matter what their philosophical position is (it's not as if their policies are particularly different to Labour's, anyway), but it makes a country stagnate in some ways to have the same leadership for too long.
  5. Andy_Euph

    Andy_Euph Active Member

    Yeah but the thing is you'd rather have the tories back! Fair enoguh Labour are on a slippery side but it'll be a cold day in hell before I vote Conservative....and I'm sure that goes for the majority of the North East too :!: :!:
  6. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    Interesting one in our local council elections is that the winning candidate this year was beaten by an independent last year when the sitting labour councillor. Stood as an independent this time, with his victor as his agent :!:
  7. Dave Euph

    Dave Euph Member

    Lib Dems certainly to me are the most creditable party around at the moment, but the country still seems to adopt a "Oh, they'll never get in, there's no point voting for them ..."

    ... is it time to seriously think (for Labour voters) about ditching Labour and voting Lib Dem? Of course, this could all horribly backfire and the next thing we know the Tories are in.

    The Tories to me have proposed many parliamentary bills which seem attractive in the short term but disastrous in the long-term ... and they just don't to me seem to have the county's major interests at heart.

    A lot of people don't realise that under Labour's rule, a lot of progress has been made ... particularly to the dreadful public services which are improving (steadily). Unfortunately, the fact that they have failed to deliver everything they promised and a couple of misguided decisions (ie. War on Iraq) have overshadowed this.
  8. Okiedokie of Oz

    Okiedokie of Oz Active Member

    Labourr in australia is considering recruiting either a former rock star or a controversial lesbian doctor.........hmmmmmm
  9. 2nd man down

    2nd man down Moderator Staff Member

    Show me one promise the Labour party have acheived since they took power?
    The first term was spent rolling out the same old statement "inherited from the previous administration" as an excuse for not doing anything and their second term has been a complete disaster. Not withstanding the apparent lies they told to justify taking us to war, at the back end of last year we seemed only weeks away from another winter of discontent (No prizes for guessing who caused the last one.)
    The cold fact is, and no-one can honestly deny it, is that for two budgets after Labour took power Gordon Brown could do nothing to improve the situation because it was as good as it could have been. The last Conservative government were voted out by a public all too willing to believe everything they read in the papers. Apparent sleaze cost the tories their last term in office, not their performance at running the country. And the latest figures of unemployment, inflation etc still aren't as low as they were before Labour took power.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a committed tory voter, I honestly don't know which way to vote for the best at the mo, but this tory bashing attitude the country has adopted just annoys me.
    New Labour?? Don't make me laugh...same old lefties adopting near tory policy (i.e. willing to go against everything the labour party originally stood for) just to get in to power.
    And the only decent one (as it turns out) amongst the labout rank and file left them cos he could see what liars they are. Well done Robin Cooke for having the courage of your convictions, pity Claire Short didn't have as many scruples!!!
  10. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    Whether or not there have been any real achievements under the present administration, I think most of us are absolutely cheesed of by the constant "spin" they try to put on anything.

    Oh for an honest political party, ready to admit straight away when they get it wrong, instead of denying everything until there is incontrovertible proof :shock:
  11. bruceg

    bruceg Active Member

    The two term maximum doesn't mean that the other side have to get in, it only means that the President can occupy the Whitehouse for a maximum of two terms (consecutive or split). The Repbulicans had three terms (2x Reagan + 1x Bush Sr) prior to Clinton's double term.

    Labour's spin is putting me off them big time but I still can't see me voting for the Tories. As for the Lib Dems... what exactly do they stand for???
  12. 2nd man down

    2nd man down Moderator Staff Member

    anything the others don't i think!
  13. rutty

    rutty Active Member

    Proportional representation and picking splinters out of their backsides after sitting so long on the fence :roll:
  14. Dave Payn

    Dave Payn Active Member

    I've been 'apolitical' for some time now, but the message was clear after the local elections. Labour suffered big time probably as a result of the Iraq war and whilst the coalition is in occupation there, the lost voters aren't going to go back. Personally, I hate the word 'spin' as it's just a less damaging word for 'lies' which is what spin really is. Tories are pretty unelectable at present, however. Time maybe for the Lib-dems to really start raising their profile big time? They'll never have a better opportunity.
  15. bruceg

    bruceg Active Member

    Then they'd better do more than pick and choose from the best(?) of the Labour and Torie policies plus adding in their usual penny on income tax for education clause... :D
  16. bruceg

    bruceg Active Member

    lol :D
  17. ScrapingtheBottom

    ScrapingtheBottom Active Member

    We should have some proper politics - vote Socialist Alliance and we can get some Trotskyism in here, that should shake up things a bit (and significantly increase the number of large concrete statues in our cities).
  18. Andy_Euph

    Andy_Euph Active Member

    WAYHEY...Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Communism rules :!: (as an idea)
  19. Spanky Rear

    Spanky Rear Member

    Just before his death Screaming Lord Sutch was reminiscing. He regretted that he had never learned to play the Soprano cornet.So he died with his political and musical ambitions unfulfilled. How we could do with him now!?
  20. tubafran

    tubafran Active Member

    Why do we vote

    Just a thought on the recent election results - Labour get 26% of the vote so they didn't get 74%. That's loads of people making either a positive vote for someone else or an anti-government vote.

    Then we get the various Ministers and government spokespeople explaining that it was not that bad really if you compare it with some similar "mid-term" votes in the past, then the other reasons were anti-war vote or even that people were voting on local issues.

    My question is - if in a democracy where we get to express our views by voting once every 3 to 5 years why do these people not listen to what we actual say when we vote? - Does our vote count for nothing except at a General Election when one or other of the parties gets to take control?