Halloween and the Church

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by G D Bush, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. G D Bush

    G D Bush Member

    Apparantly Halloween is now the second biggest 'event' of the year, behind Christmas. As someone with a Church upbringing I was always taught to basically ignore Halloween... but where does the Church stand now on the issue?

    Should Christians still largely ignore this festival, and for what reason? Or is it ok to get our children dressing up as scary things, such as ghosts, witches, (and members of the association of brass band adjudicators :D ) ? Are we denying our children some fun if we dont allow them to take part, when all their non church going friends do join in and dress up?

    Debate! :tup
  2. Rapier

    Rapier Supporting Member

    I ignore it too. But that's because it's an American thing really and I'n not a fan of begging door to door. Mind you at least the yanks do it with style. We just have mindless thugs causing damage and calling it a 'trick'.
  3. John_D

    John_D Member

    At any other time of year anyone demanding sweets with menace would get locked up.

    Halloween is a corruption of Hallows Eve,or the eve of All Hallows (All Saints) day, a Christian festival.

    All the reports I've read/seen/heard put it as 3rd, being Christmas and Easter.
  4. jockinafrock

    jockinafrock Active Member

    Can't see the harm in Hallowe'en. Not a Church-goer any more, but doesn't mean I don't have my religious/spiritual views. As has already been said, All Saints Day/All Hallow's Eve springs to mind at this time of year and I love decorating my house with cobwebs, skeletons, witches, allsorts. We had nearly 100 kids (and dogs!) this year and ran out of goody bags! Everyone was polite and loved having their photo taken outside the house - even when the goody bags ran out everyone took it in good spirit (excuse the pun). :evil:
    I do the same at Christmas, decorating inside and out and enjoying seeing how much pleasure it brings. Not every neighbourhood is so lucky I know, but aside of the commercialism, it's great time and I love it! :icon_twisted:
  5. Bayerd

    Bayerd Active Member

    From what I've seen over the last few years, the Church already realises that it's fighting a losing battle. Some try to embrace anything that'll make them more popular, others do the opposite. My involvement at Christmas doesn't extend much further than playing a brass instrument. Some observers might think I choose to spend xmas morning going around the village to spread god's word. I actually do it for getting out of the house and drinking someone else's whisky. A Bass Trombone helps me do that....
  6. Rapier

    Rapier Supporting Member

    I thought it was originally a Pagan festival called Sawen, meaning summer's end.
  7. Robhibberd29

    Robhibberd29 Active Member

    Such a useful instrument...:cool:
  8. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    I had a friend at school who were methodists and always thought it was strange how she wasn't alloweed to go to the school halloween disco, even now. To me its a kids thing and just a bit of harmless fun.
  9. still learnin

    still learnin Member

    I think the origins or timing of the event may have a pagan basis as does the 25th December which was purloined for it's current purpose. I think if it's treated as a tradition that allows kids to get dressed up, have a bit of fun and terrorise each other with stories of ghosts there's not much harm. We had some kids knock on our door last night, their parents were out by the road keeping an eye on them and they were very polite when we offered trays of sweets.

    My opinion would probably be totally different if there had been older youths hanging around throwing eggs and fireworks at the house which I know happens in some places. I'd have probably had a red mist come down and chased 'em with my baseball bat (another American intrusion into our British way of life).
  10. Anno Draconis

    Anno Draconis Well-Known Member

    Samhain, the autumnal equivalent of Beltain (May Day).

    It was such a popular pre-Christian festival that it was "christianised" by calling it "All Hallows Eve", shortened to Hallowe'en. Similar thing happened with Christmas; a date that was already celebrated was appropiated by early christians.
  11. P_S_Price

    P_S_Price Member

    As a Salvationist my family Ignore it, and also churlishly refuse to participate in the trick or treat palarver!
  12. John Brooks

    John Brooks Well-Known Member

    I personally relegated this "controversy" to my "pick your battles" list. There are many times we have to say "No" I made it a point to say "Yes" whenever possible. When my kids were young they took part in dressing up and doing the trick or treat thing up and down the street. The other day I gave my 6 year old grandson his birthday present - an Iron Man costume; he just loved it, put it on right away and still had it on when they left to go home. Awesome and harmless!!!!
  13. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Well, religion is not for me, so the attitude of Christianity to Halloween doesn't bother me greatly - and indeed, as pointed out above, disapproving of someone else appropriating something you appropriated first is morally somewhat dubious.

    But that aside, I don't appreciate Halloween. Dress up, have a party; great, that sounds fun. But the knocking on doors bit is bizarre... Do we really want to teach our children that begging and extortion are acceptable? One year I spent hours cleaning dried-on egg from the front of my house after I'd ignored a knock at the door.
  14. Robhibberd29

    Robhibberd29 Active Member

    That's no yolk is it Dave :-D
  15. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Have just spent 5 minutes trying to shoehorn 'albumen' into a pun... However, my skills are weak...
  16. Robhibberd29

    Robhibberd29 Active Member

    it's all white I'll let you off.....
  17. themusicalrentboy

    themusicalrentboy Active Member

    these jokes are fowl.
  18. still learnin

    still learnin Member

    Quality doesn't come cheep