Halle trombone, is no one good enough?

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by baritastic, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. baritastic

    baritastic Member

    Looks as though the Halle have readvertised the principal trombone Job.

    Can they just decide no one is good enough?

    Surely Brett baker would be in with a shout of that one?

  2. Modconnect

    Modconnect New Member

    It's not just about who is good enough. Remember you have to sit next to, play and socialise with that person for long hours in the day.

    Has to be the right standard of player and somebody who most the brass section gets on with. Plus you have lots of people making the decisions, often not the brass players at all.

    As for Brett Baker, I'm sure he himself would not go for a job at one of the top orchestra. He earns a very good living from what he does and probably enjoys having the flexibility to play where he wants. The orchestra would be too restricting for him. You could also argue that he doesn't have the correct style or sound to play in a symphony orchestra in the UK. I'm sure, at some point, he attended the RNCM and sadly no work with orchestra came of it.

    Having said that he will always make a very good living from teaching, solo gigs, conducting and of course brass bands, and long may it continue.
  3. Super Ph

    Super Ph Member

    of course - they can do what they like
  4. baritastic

    baritastic Member

    Surely there must be some sort of compromise if there was a player who is good enough and not a comeplete wazzak. Surely the trombone scene is not so large that players have no idea what people are like before they start?

    Seems like a massive waste of time and money to go through it all again if there was a player good enough. ??
  5. Chunky

    Chunky Active Member

    Who is to say there was not a candidate suitable who once offered the post changed their mind, hence having to re-advertise.

    Its their time, its their money and ultimately its their business.
  6. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    It's certainly not uncommon for orchestral posts to lie dormant for a while. Providing they can get cover for their current concert engagements, they may feel it is best to take their time and make sure they get the right person before making a permanent appointment. As has been said above, there are lots of factors involved, and they would want to get someone who fits in with the rest of the section, the orchestra as a whole and also the conductor's ideas.
  7. Super Ph

    Super Ph Member

    more cynically, auditions = good players playing as well as they can for free.
    appointing a player hastily who turns out to be not very good or a pain = months or years of hassle.
  8. defnotsimon

    defnotsimon Member

    Appointing the wrong person isnt really that bad. Everyone goes through a probation time during which they can be let go. But you always want the right person for the job and if it takes the time then its a good idea to take the time.
  9. Anno Draconis

    Anno Draconis Well-Known Member

    Applicants are paid standard MU rates when trialling. AFAIK it's rare for applicants for a principal post to actually have to audition because it's a small world and they will be known to the section anyway, but they do get a "trial". Most players will be offered several gigs as a trial period, so that they can be assessed playing a variety of stuff and the section get some time to decide whether they "fit in" or not. Usually they'd want that to include at least one week with the MD, so trial periods have to fit around Mark Elder's diary as well. Players who are good enough will have pretty full diaries themselves, so actually fitting an audition in can be hard. Trialling orchestra leaders can take years. I don't know what the Halle do these days, but when I worked there EVERY wind Principal also got to have a say on who got principal jobs, so appointments took an absolute age.

    Sacking players once they're in the seat is hard work, as they have to served with a sequence of warnings and a notice of re-audition, and given sufficient time to improve. Takes about 9 months to get rid of a player who isn't up to standard, so it's important to get the appointment right.
  10. Brian Bowen

    Brian Bowen Active Member

  11. What?

    What? New Member

    Referring back to the very first post suggesting that Brett Baker would "be in with a shout". With respect, the qualities of a brass band trombone player and an orchestral trombone player differ somewhat, for example, tone vibrato etc. In my opinion, although BB is an excellent brass band player, he does not have the quality required of a principal trombone player in a top orchestra.
  12. Blagger

    Blagger Member

    Oh my God
    Yet more anonymous first post rubbish :rolleyes:

    Whats that I smell............? :wink:
  13. brassking

    brassking New Member

    One bander who does possess the quality is Gary Macphee at grimethorpe. Saw him play a few weeks back. Awesome. Truly breathtaking stuff.
  14. baritastic

    baritastic Member

    Surely that can't be right?

    Can it?
  15. Bayerd

    Bayerd Active Member


    Yes it can.

    Different disciplines.
  16. Splitzer

    Splitzer Member

    I'm pretty sure a player like BB could adapt to the different demands - playing more long notes and counting millions of bars rest!
  17. What?

    What? New Member

    Blagger, thank you for your insightful statement!

    Back to the subject, I agree with Bayerd that they are different disciplines. Just like asking a trained Jazz Trumpeter to be a classical orchestral trumpet player. Some can, and others will find it difficult! Is it ok for me to say that Blagger?
  18. baritastic

    baritastic Member

    It would be interesting to know what sort of players the Orchestra deemed "not good enough".

    I wonder who was considered, and how we would regard them as players. Anyone know any players that were "on trial"?
  19. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    But have you heard him play in a orchestra? he might be really good and can adapt. Saying he can't do without giving the poor man chance is a bit of a strong view??
  20. Modconnect

    Modconnect New Member

    I think they will have done research and gone to listen or asked other professionals that have heard him. Im sure they would not just say no without doing any research.

    Remember he did go to the RNCM so tutors that were at the Halle at the time would surely of heard him.

    Going back to someones earlier quote, it may be that the brass section don't get on with him. Might be nothing to do with the standard of his playing.

    Did he even apply for the job? If he was good enough why didn't he apply? Also if the orchestra though he was good enough why didn't they invite him.

    I don't know BB but I presume he didn't reply and why would he. He is very busy getting lots of different playing experiences and probably earning much more than he would if he was in a full time job.