Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Stracathro, Jul 9, 2012.
where's that like button again?
If they could find security, caterers and transport workers that would do it for free then yes, you're right. However, as we both know they couldn't. People don't do those roles as a hobby primarily.......unlike musicians where the vast majority will do it for free, happily.
So yes, they do need to compete. If they want paying also then I would expect a vastly superior product to the offered by an amateur. The general public would not notice this difference in quality, so why should they pay?
As I mentioned previously, there are occasions when a proffesional is needed. This certainly isn't one of them
If an event with the massive global profile of an Olympics opening ceremony is not an occasion when a professional musician is "needed", then what does come into that category?
Did you bother to read my posts on the subject? In particular the part in which I mention the general public not being able to tell the difference between a professional and an amateur musician? Add to this the vast amount of amateur musicians that will perform for free and this will surely help you to overcome the confused face you have.
Yes I certainly did read your posts. And everyone else's.
I'll ask a slightly different question therefore, which is this: if all that matters is "the general public not being able to tell the difference between a professional and an amateur musician", do you think there should be professional musicians at all?
Good question. Some events require a lot of commitment that an amateur couldn't do, such as pit gigs etc. Amateurs couldn't give time up forthese.
I don't have any issue with professional players, indeed I know a few myself and wish them well. The olympics however do not require such commitment so it is possible for amateurs to do it.
Okay...so if it's only a matter of time commitment to performances (as you rightly point out, many theatre-type jobs could not be done on a hobby basis), what about a professional orchestra for example? The various National Youth ensembles are doing several BBC Proms concerts between them this summer and they're obviously amateurs - so should the other orchestras get paid for playing their concerts?
I can't believe that you reckon the public can't tell the difference between professional and amateur musicians.
How many will be watching the opening ceremony I wonder? I'm sure a few of them will know a thing or two about artistic performance.
A band like Grimethorpe ARE professional players! They have played on Film, T.V. Top Venues and to C.D standard LIVE. They just happen not to all get a wage. The band gets paid for every gig and rightfully so. The M.U's previously mentioned grumble (if they have one) is either because they can’t accept the fact that un-paid players can play as well as paid players or because said un-paid player are not part of their little club.
The M.U.'s grumble is about the fact that professional acts have been contacted to render their services for free.
rubbish - they like all other trade unions simply want to see that their members, who do this for a living, get properly remunerated for their efforts. Considering the support this movement has given to unions over the years, it's a bit rich having a go at the MU!
Musicians should get their usual rate for the gigs they do. Pro = pro rate. Amateur = amateur rate. Simple.
The treatment of musicians is especially frustrating as some - bus drivers and tube drivers are not just getting paid their usual rate but are being given bonuses for agreeing to not strike during the Olympics.
this thread just seems to be full of so called "professional players throwing they're toys out of the pram. Theres enough people making money out of this debarcle we call London 2012 without brass players deciding they want a bit too
IM sure there will be. I'm also positive that there will also be millions of people
Who don't and have no intrest. Whilst it's great for the movement and Grimey in particular to be taking part in this, don't forget that at the end of the day, mr bloggs from the ivory coast, or mrs bloggs from Slovakia won't give two hoots!!!! They most probably won't have a clue who they are. And although they are taking part,
If it was anything like the commonwealth games, it would
Only last maybe 3-5 minutes of the while ceremony.
Perhaps I should have said "full-time professional".
never mind the public, theres a few adjudicators that cant seem to either !!
Like the British army brass band?
Is there not a distinction to be made here between workers (such as bus drivers etc) being asked to their usual job under unusual circumstances and musicians being offered the chance to take part in a once in a lifetime event?
Any ensemble would be perfectly entitled to turn down the chance to take part in the Opening Ceremony but I doubt many would simply because of the prestige of the occasion. There is also the issue of exposure and how much additional revenue performers may reap due to becoming more well known or popular.
A problem only arises in my opinion if you have a brass band, playing for free, stood next to an orchestra (or whoever) being paid to perform. Either you pay the market rate for ALL performers, or perhaps a little less due to the prestige etc, or you ask everyone to perform on a voluntary basis.
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