Greatest Composers of all time?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by John Morton, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. John Morton

    John Morton Member

    i think my first and second choice would be;
    1, Johann Sebastian Bach
    2, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

    interested to know what yours would be!

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  2. Andy_Euph

    Andy_Euph Active Member

    Berlioz....without him we wouldn't have film music!
  3. derekdawson

    derekdawson Member

    Beethoven without a doubt, he's the man
  4. iancwilx

    iancwilx Active Member

    My top three in any order ~ Tchaikowsky, Beethoven, and Dvorak.
    I actually love most of these as well, Schubert, Mozart, Wagner, Handel, Elgar Lizst, Chopin, Rossini, Verdi. ( I may have missed a couple).
    There are others, but not as significant to my personal taste.

    Mr Wilx
  5. John Morton

    John Morton Member

    My Facebook admin submitted this one for me. Mozart would definitely be up there - childlike simplicity and monumental greatness all at the same time. We all admire Bach but for me the admiration is for the formal and 'mathematical' skill (for lack of a better word). I look to music to give me more than that. I often wonder if future historians might put Bartok at the top of 'modern' composers.
  6. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Every so often I hear this accusation of Bach's music - that it's clever but cold. I disagree fundamentally with it - the cleverness is what we use to describe how he produced a sublime effect. With Bach it's all about the pleasure in exploring tonal patterns - the subconscious appreciation of the patterns themselves underpins and intensifies the pleasure in simply listening to the music.

    In terms of emotional experience, listening to the full 'Art of Fugue' I find as intense as any other piece of music. It's a slow-building intensity, one that one doesn't notice until one is almost overwhelmed by it. And then the jerk that one experiences when one reaches the point where the music stops mid-flow, where Bach died while writing it... Deeply unsettling.

    Bach, cold? Not for me.

    On the subject of Mozart, while he came to achieve greatness late on, a lot of his writing is just not that deep. Pretty, but not ultimately inspiring to me. Such a shame for us that he died young - if he had lived 65 years as Bach did, rather than 35, few other composers would now be within touching distance of him.
  7. Anno Draconis

    Anno Draconis Well-Known Member

    While I'd agree that many of (for example) the earlier symphonies and piano concerti fit that bill, I'm not sure it's that relevant. When he hits the spot, Mozart's writing is in a different class for economy of means, impeccable structure and sheer exhilarating beauty to anyone before or since. With the possible exceptions of J.S. Bach and Beethoven.

    I'm thinking of the c minor mass, the Da Ponte operas, the last three symphonies and the Requiem in particular here. Paradoxically, if he'd been less of a prodigy and not written so many "lightweight" early works, this perception of Mozart as a composer of pretty but insubstantial music would be less prevalent, because the outstanding works would form a higher proportion of his output.

    I'll stick a vote in for Mahler & Sibelius, just because they're my favourites.

    I also have a slightly leftfield proposal - Giovanni Gabrieli. His music is poorly-served by being perceived as part of the "Early Music" scene, and therefore somehow a bit esoteric or specialist. It isn't - many brass players already know this through the PJBE (and successors) recordings, but in the wider musical world he's still, sadly, an acquired taste.
  8. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

    John Shuttleworth. 'Pigeons in Flight' is the tip of the iceberg.
  9. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Agreed - more or less. I was just trying to offer the alternative viewpoint to the standard-issue Mozart-worship that is common.
  10. Backrowdiva

    Backrowdiva Member

    It's interesting how everyone's voting for orchestral composers. What about some of the great "pop song" composers. Lennon and McCartney, Bacharach & David, Mercury, Gallagher, Alban. Aren't they great too
  11. iancwilx

    iancwilx Active Member

    Bruckner and Brahms are another couple of guys who massage my emotions.

    ~ Mr Wilx
  12. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

    AND John Shuttleworth.
  13. MRSH

    MRSH Supporting Member

    Orchestrally - Mahler, Bruckner, Shostakovich, Sibelius, Rachmaninov, Richard Strauss - in any order depending on what mood I'm in!!! :D
  14. Laserbeam bass

    Laserbeam bass Active Member

    From a popular music perspective, and with mie and Will the Sec's uncle to thank for not throwing them overboard on a ship from Manchester to Sydey, I would have to say the Gibb Brothers. Barry mainly, but the other two were co-writers of a load of the Bee Gees stuff.

    From a classical perspective I would go for, in no particular order

    Mozart - Requiem Only :confused: All the rest is like for like, imo.
    CPE Bach
  15. Laserbeam bass

    Laserbeam bass Active Member

    And Jilted John

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