There was some good discussion elsewhere about this but I didn't want to clog up the thread. Regarding grading can anyone help me. I understand that in the Regionals/Areas: If a band is promoted or relegated it takes the average points for the new section over the previous 2 years (eg 16 bands competed in that section the previous year so average 8 points) If a band withdraws (or doesn't enter ?) they get lowest points +1 , which I take to mean if there are say 11 bands in the section they get 12 points for not competing - please correct if I am wrong. Now if a band withdraws/doesn't enter and then gets demoted, does it still take the previous 2 years average marks for the new section rather? I also wonder what bearing performance at the Nationals has on awarding points and is there discretion by a Committee. And, if a band folds after not competing, there seems no point in demoting it so does that honour go to a band that might have thought it was safe? All these questions which I have previously been too frightened to ask!