Is anyone else tired of the so called professional players pontificating to us on this site. I don't post much, more of a lurker really, but this really does get on my nerves and I just wanted to see if anyone else feels the same. Im a keen amature player, and I respect completely the dizzy heights of the likes of Rod Franks and Dudley Bright, and I also understand that freelance professional players have to have a very high standard of playing, but the bottom line is: If you have never actually managed to get a position in an orchestra your not as good as those guys and should not pretend to be! If you never managed to get a job in an orchestra stop lecturing us as if you have. If players have held a position in an orchestra then left, like Dave Stuart or Huw Seenan, or even in a lesser orchestra like Tenerife, then fair enough, im not going to argue with you, but if you have never actually got a job then just have a little more respect for your amature counterparts. If a player has held a position at Dyke for 10 years in my book thats more diffucult and a greater achievement than playing with umpteen orchestras a year and doing 10 trials but never getting a job! You know who you are!