Floral Dance - Copyright Question

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by chris.neufeld, Oct 26, 2012.

  1. chris.neufeld

    chris.neufeld Member

    Hoping that the internet wisdom can help here.

    The traditional Derek Broadbent arrangement of The Floral Dance is credited to Katie Moss with a copyright date of 1911. Further research into this is that Katie Moss is credited with the music and lyrics for said song and that she passed away in 1947 - which would by my understanding mean that the tune is still in copyright and that any other arrangements would need appropriate copyright clearance.

    However, the tune is based upon an old cornish air.

    My question is twofold - does anyone know where this old cornish air can be found, and would an arrangement of the tune fall foul of copyright law.
  2. Andrew Norman

    Andrew Norman Active Member

    As far as I can see it is not a "traditional tune" although it has now become one, in the same way that Happy Birthday has.
    The copyright line that I can find is
    The Floral Dance
    Words and Music by Katie Moss
    © 1911 Chappell Music Ltd
    All Rights Reserved.
    I suggest you contact Chappell Music for further information.
  3. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    I think there's a bit more to it than that. It's the music that accompanies the Furry Day celebrations in Helston. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_Dance#Music:


    Here's a recording of John the Bone:
    Interesting that the lyrics mention Truro rather than Helston?

    As one can hear, the folk version and the Moss version have substantial similarities, although Moss added a different tune for her verse and extended the tune for the chorus. So using the melodic material that makes up the first half of the chorus of the Floral Dance should be fine, I would have thought.

    Some more info here, and a MIDI link you can play:
  4. Brian Bowen

    Brian Bowen Active Member

    A similar situation to this is the hymn tune 'Monks Gate', sung to John Bunyan's hymn "Who would true valour see, Let him come hither" (or "He who would valiant be 'Gainst all disaster", alt. Percy Dearmer). The tune is based on a traditional English folk song that Vaughan Williams adapted, arranged or "collected" and married to Bunyan's text. In this form it was published by Oxford University Press, who therefore claim the copyright.
  5. Highams

    Highams Member

  6. animal.22

    animal.22 Member

    Regardless of copyright it's about time it was consigned to the dustbin along with The Flintstones!!!!!!!! :clap:

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