failing :(

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by beastiefishboy, Mar 25, 2010.

  1. beastiefishboy

    beastiefishboy New Member

    hi all.
    im a late starter to the whole learning an instrument thing (39 next birthday).
    i play with a cadet band and have been playing about 3 months.
    i started on the euph but moved onto the baritone after a few weeks.
    the problem is that we are practicing for a big concert and i feel i am being left very far behind.
    i dont really read music but am trying to learn as quick as i can.
    i'm struggling with toning but play 100% better when theres another baritone player next to me.
    the band master has said that theyre thinking of trying me on a sax after the concert as i may have more luck with that.
    it has really knocked my confidence because i havent had any real tuition or help and have been left pretty much to myself. i love trying to play and get a brilliant feeling if i get even a few notes right.
    i dont know if i should give it up as a bad job or if i should do as they suggest and try something different.
    any advice?
  2. scotchgirl

    scotchgirl Active Member

    If you enjoy it then you should carry on regardless...what's to stop you learning two instruments? Is that possible?

    If you are struggling with learning the notes/music/remembering fingers etc...then you really have to practise as much as you can to get it to sink in....there isn't really a quick way of learning to play a musical instrument, unless you are one of the lucky ones who has a natural talent for it...its all perseverence. :)
  3. yoda

    yoda Member

    you could also maybe look out for a 2nd band to go and practice with...... Something like a training band (quite a few brass bands have one) They might play some music well with in your ability, and help to raise your confidence levels :)

    But I totally agree with scotchgirl. If you enjoy, then carry on regardless.

    good luck with it. :)

    two things to remember......................

    1) everyone has been a beginner at some point.

    2) only the foolish/ignorant/foolish forget number 1


    ps..... a few lessons will pay you back 10 times over in everything :) seek out a good experienced local brass tutor. You will improve faster and probably make a good friend too. Good luck
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2010
  4. Vegasbound

    Vegasbound Active Member

    IMHO...find a local brass teacher and go and have lessons....
  5. Owen S

    Owen S Member

    That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. I can imagine successfully learning to play a brass instrument from scratch without individual tuition if you're playing in a brass-only ensemble; I can't imagine doing it in a mixed-ability wind band.
  6. Rapier

    Rapier Supporting Member

    39? A mere whippersnapper, we have several players that started much later than that. One at 66. Stick with it, it takes years on ANY instrument. Except maybe bagpipes. I mean, no one knows if you are playing them properly or not. ;)
  7. beastiefishboy

    beastiefishboy New Member

    thanks for the tips guys - i'm going to search out a tutor and have a few lessons i think.
    hopefully once the stress of the concert is over we can play some less complicated tunes - or even tunes that have a baritone part rather than me looking terrified at a euph part!
  8. KD

    KD New Member

  9. The Wherryman

    The Wherryman Active Member

    Give up after only 3 months? You're still just starting, for heavens sake. I started (on trombone) when I was in my mid-50's and it was a whole 6 months before the band I had joined actually invited me to play with them in public. I agree with the others, get yourself a few lessons, one or two tutor books and practice, practice, practice. If you get the basics well and truly under the belt (or fingers) at this stage, you'll reap the benefits later.
  10. barrytone

    barrytone Member

    Don't know where you live but I am quite happy to help all I can. I have given quite a few learner baritone players tuition and helped them play in band situations, very different from playing on your own at home. Any chance you could join a local brass band with a learners group? And as for being too old, the oldest learner I have ever helped was 64 and how he happily plays second baritone in a local fourth section band. Age is no barrier to new experiences!
  11. beastiefishboy

    beastiefishboy New Member

    please dont misunderstand i really really dont want to give up - i am loving being a part of the band even if my main contribution is listening and appreciating their playing.

    because its a cadet band i sometimes fell as tho i shouldnt ask for help etc cos the kids need and deserve it more. i am going to up my practicing and try my hardest to get to the point where i can play a C or a G when asked without warbling up and down the place trying to find it.

    my fingering is slow but will improve and i am beginning to remember what fingering applies to each note.

    it is a big scarey place the world of bands and i suppose i am just getting used to it.

    thanks again for the tips guys - i intend to go tutor hunting online this evening - after ive practiced a while obviously :)
  12. Rambo Chick

    Rambo Chick Member

    No, no NO! In my opinion, all learners are equally important regardless of age!! You have as much right to ask for help as the other cadets, plus if you enjoy it and plan to stick at it, you may end up playing for years when youngsters have a tendency to drop it as they get older (not all of course!). So ask for help.

    Playing in a brass band will definitely help and a few lessons with a teacher will too (I see you've said you'll be doing that). Plus 3 months, working it out for yourself and playing in a concert is pretty impressive. Rather than feeling left behind, you may find once you get some guidance you might race away and improve loads if you've managed to do what you have already!:)
  13. Mike Saville

    Mike Saville Member

    Good to hear - make sure that you get someone that plays Euph/Baritone themselves. Or a low brass teacher at the very least.

    One of the problems I often see (particularly in the US) is that bandmasters think they can teach every instrument. They might be able to teach music but in some cases without specialist knowledge of your instrument they can do more harm than good.

    Good luck with it :)

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