Election the Aftermath

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by StellaJohnson, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    Just wondered what peoples opinions are of the new coalition government after the election now with the big debates we had on here during election time.

    Are all you tory supporters happy with the recent cuts? Its going to affect the industry I work in with the recent cutbacks in spending in building new schools, which was what I was expecting anyway. Overall so far there is no difference to my life.
  2. geordiecolin

    geordiecolin Active Member

    I'm waiting with trepidation. Over 30% of the workforce in the north east is employed in the public sector, rising to 46% in Durham specifically. The cuts will hurt and some local authorities are already considering redundancies. Obviously Chief Execs won't take a pay cut though.....

    For me, the biggest disappointment to date has been the cutting of the loan to Forgemasters in Sheffield. I don't even live in South Yorks anymore but the loss of that funding seems senseless to me and would have potentially placed S.Yorks in a strong position coming out of recession.
  3. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Could not agree more.

    The conservatives preach cuts for the sake of pulling the country out of recession, and then refuse funding for a big employer in south yorkshire. The public sector are an easy target. After year-on-year pay-cuts in local government in order to fund rises in the civil service (mainly at the top) expect it to be those on low and middle incomes to take the hit from the chancellor's budget cuts.

    Given that council budgets are allocated by those at the top, and that the council I work for has more than doubled the number of it's staff earning over £80,000 per annum in the last five years - I don't expect the %25 cut to come from executive/senior pay.

    I have to say (Even though I'm going to sound like a dyed-in-the-wool labourite here... which I'm not) That a budget that basically amounts to a kicking for the poorest, cuts for the utilities most useful to the working classes and funding stripped out of the north? Sounds like the sort of thing we should've expected from the Tories.

    But my main disappointment is to see the Liberals prostituting themselves like this just so Nick Clegg and co can bask in the reflected glory of government. The last time thay did this they were completely wiped out at the next election - and I fully expect that to happen again. Because everyone who thinks the government has done well votes tory, everyone who thinks the haven't votes labout, and the liberals suffer a classic third-party squeeze.
  4. geordiecolin

    geordiecolin Active Member


    Regarding Local Govt cuts, there's no word yet as to whether my Chief Exec will be taking a cut in his £200k pay packet. I'm not holding my breath.
  5. Red Elvis

    Red Elvis Active Member

    A neat summation from Andi there . We will see a sustained attack on the public sector over the coming months and years . Mr Gove has got himself into a pickle over the school repairs / rebuilds I see , but note that the "Academies" ( often sponsored / owned by profit-making companies ) are exempt from these cuts and so the tories friends in the boardroom will still get their share of taxpayers money.

    They propose going to law to unilaterally adjust Civil service redundancy / pension terms - if successful then other national bargaining structures will be targetted next ( Teachers , Fire officers , Healthcare workers etc ). Will be interesting to see what settlement the Police get , the cynic in me wonders if they will be looked after so that when the strikes come they will be used again as Thatcher did back in 84-85.

    The Forgemasters loan was a disgrace - very little press coverage ( at least down south here ) but again symptomatic of the Tory approach to manufacturing industry . Needless to say we'll be waiting a long time to see similar attacks on the bankers , chief execs etc .

    Since May , we've been recruiting growing numbers into our branch of UNISON as ordinary healthcare workers realise what is coming ( and to be fair , at our hospital Trust we are in a much healthier position than many others thanks to careful planning and management over the past three years or so ).

    My political views are well known by now. If it comes to a general strike in the public sector then I'm all for it.

    Having said all of the above , at least you know what you are getting with the Tories so no real surprises .My contempt is reserved for Clegg and the Limp dem lickspittles. Years of hectoring about "principles" and "a new politics" and they go running up to Call me Dave at the first sniff of power.As Andi correctly says , they will be toast at the next election.Havng been involved in a number of local election campaigns with both (old) Labour and latterly the Socialist Alliance it comes as no surprise. The Libs will out do both Tories and Labour when it comes to dirty tricks and will play to whatever distasteful populist themes they think will gain them votes.

    Clegg is just another bouffant-haired public school **** who will fade back into historical obscurity either by 2015 or the fall of the coalition , whichever comes first.
  6. johnmartin

    johnmartin Active Member

    I suspect that the labour party are quietly happy about having dodged a bullet here. Regardless of who got in we were going to feel the pain. Labour may have done things differently but cuts there definitely would have been. Now they can sit back and watch the public get more and more angry with the government and wait for the old school lib dems to break ranks safe in the knowledge that they will probably have a much better chance of winning the next election (which I predict will be far earlier than the 2015 date announced by Mr Clegg in the house last week).
  7. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Agreed. All things considered, the election worked out quite nicely for Labour. They weren't wiped out to anywhere near the extent that some in the party feared, they can blame the tories for the current slashes in public spending and resultant explosion in unemployment, Gordon Brown did the decent thing and quietly fell on his sword.... A number of potential banana skins avoided.
  8. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    I didn't vote in the election and don't support either party, when it comes to politics you have to think of number one I'm no better or worse off, where are all the tory supporters who were slating labour in the election thread?
  9. geordiecolin

    geordiecolin Active Member

    You reckon? Just wait til VAT goes up to 20%, your bins stop being emptied and your standard of healthcare drops.
  10. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    ...and council tax gets a hike and your roads stop being repaired and your local community projects, playgroups, after-school-clubs etc all stop, and your neighbourhood watch funding is pulled and the counter services at your local council offices are cut and your post office is closed and parking charges raised and.....
  11. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    I shop around and get things cheaper

    I don't produced a lot of rubbish

    Healthcare - no difference under labour - still can't get a nhs dentist or appointment at the doctors when it suits me

    Private companies have made cuts through the recession, lots of redundantcies including myself, cannot afford to put anything away in a pension so why should public services workers be any different.

    The country is broke why should we be giving loans to forgemaster, shall we do the same for every other company in the country?

    I even had to move away to leeds to get this job I have, thats life

    Same S**T different party!!
  12. geordiecolin

    geordiecolin Active Member

    ...your neighbour builds a massive bungalow in his back garden and ruins your life and the Council have no Planning Enforcement Officer and you get food poisoning because there's no-one in Environmental Health to inspect the place where you got it....

    It's gonna be great.
  13. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    So shall we carry on spending like there is no tommorrow, the country has no money, like you said if these chief executives take a pay cut like the rest of us, they will have more money to spend on these services
  14. geordiecolin

    geordiecolin Active Member

    No. That's not what I'm saying. I'll explain below but firstly;

    1) Shopping around won't help a great deal as everything is relative and even the cheaper item will be subject to VAT, meaning everything will be more expensive (other than non VAT goods)

    2) Forgemasters loan, was a exactly that, a loan. It wasn't subsidy, it was to be a loan which would have secured essentially an entire regional industry and provided a solid manufacturing base on which to build the S.Yorks economy out of the recession, which can only be a good thing at both a regional and national level. It wasn't just about "one company". I'm no Labour Party lackey and many of the cuts to proposed capital projects by the current govt were pretty sensible in my opinion. But this was one that was really worth sticking with.

    3) Yes the private sector have had a tough time, but remember they had better "good" times than the public sector. We got no bonuses or share options and I would imagine that the comparative wages of most jobs are worse in the public sector. Admittedly the pension is good, but its just about the only perk I can think of. Yes cuts to the public sector are necessary, but as ever, the axe will fall on the least well off, doing the jobs which are probably those most appreciated by joe public.

    For what its worth, I voted LD in the election, not that it made a jot a difference given that I live in the 5th safest Labour seat in the country. I'm appalled at the way the LDs have just seemed to have forgotton their principles in return for a referundum on voting reform.

    Without doubt Labour would have had to have made cuts as well, but I remain to be convinced that they would be of the level being talked about today in the Local Authority where I work. I have little doubt that the level of the cuts will have a noticeable impact upon the quality of service provided to the public. I agree that some cuts have to be made, but there's a fine line between cutting away excess and cutting so far that services fail. I think the govt have potentially got the balance very wrong...
  15. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Sorry, that really is funny..... Why would the people handing down pay-cuts (ie: those who run things) hand themselves a cut? Far easier to give Joe Punchclock a beating for "The greater good" isn't it? And politicians will of course approve of this because the more money executives are paid, the more they can donate to political parties.

    By the way, where do you think all the money has gone Stella?

    Oh yeah. Into the pockets of the bankers who screwed the economy up in the first place - and the pockets of their shareholders.

    And the justification? RBS's public relations department released a statement stating that they "Had to pay bonuses to retain the best talent in the banking sector."

    Uh... guys... you lost twelve BILLION quid in six months.... you don't HAVE the best talent in the banking sector!!!

    Brown had the chance to pin them down. He wussed out. Cameron had the chance to claw something back for the country this last 'emergency' budget. He wussed out too, and gave the poorest in the country a kicking into the bargain.

    Your tax money, their new ferrari. I'm glad you're so happy about the situation.
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2010
  16. Getzonica

    Getzonica Active Member

    So far, it hasn't effected me yet.... although I'm dreading the defence review.....

    As a student the rise in vat will effect me but it'll just mean i'll have to save up more money before I buy something, or think twice about buying it. And I might not go on a family holiday next year, but I can live with that.

    I feel a bit sorry for the schools who won't get their new buildings, but new buildings don't make an amazing school, and couldn't the school try to raise the money themselves if they really need the new building? It would create a great sence of acheivement when the money has been raised even if it means they'll have to wait longer for the new building.
  17. towse1972

    towse1972 Active Member

    I completely agree with Andi. Being a civi servant sucks at the moment and can only get worse.
  18. 2nd man down

    2nd man down Moderator Staff Member

    I voted conservative and glad I did.

    1979 old labour were forced to hand power over having just about brought the country to it's knees.

    2010, same story, different front to the party, same old results.

    The people that vote these idiots in are to blame. Once again it's left to someone else to look the bad guy while they do the necessary to save the country from the aftermath of a labour government.

    Swallow the bitter pill people, you labour voters voted for them to put them in power and look what they did.
    I may not think much of Call me David Cameron, and was as surprised as anyone that the Lib Dems jumped into bed with the conservatives, but there you have it, far better that than another term in office for Brown and his mis-management. God knows where we'd be by the next General Election if they'd been re-elected.
  19. DannyCollin

    DannyCollin Member

    :rolleyes: :eek:
  20. on_castors

    on_castors Member

    Just quoting that - got to make sure it gets properly cached at Google now, as not many will be admitting that in 5 years time!

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