Eclipse cornets, flugels & trumpets

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Par10, Mar 5, 2010.

  1. Par10

    Par10 Member

    I went to see Leigh at Eclipse today to try some Trumpets.

    I am new to Trumpet playing, having spent most of my playing life on Cornet and latterly on Flugel, as I already have an Eclipse Cornet and Flugel and do not have any issues with either of them I decided the best way forward for me was to get an Eclipse trumpet, so I asked TrumpetMike, who is a Trumpet player and has a lot of experience with Eclipse Trumpets, for some advice and he steered me in the direction of a medium yellow Eclipse Trumpet.

    Well I arrived in Luton at about 12:20, immediately I got a cup of coffee made for me and then had a full explanation from Leigh as to the attributes of the various bells and leadpipes.

    If anyone out there is a little sceptical about the difference between leadpipe sizes then I can tell you that I was as well, but that scepticism has been completely silenced because there is a very noticable difference between the lead pipe sizes.

    I tried the medium yellow and then the medium red and although there was a difference between them and my Olds Recording trumpet I was not convinced it was enough, we then started playing with lead pipes and it soon became apparent that I was not complying with the norm, Liegh has a chart which shows what each lead pipe should do in respect of the sound colour, it turned out that I was pretty much opposite to what is normal, so we got to a 4T & 6T which produced a pretty decent full bodied rich sound but it still was not as easy a blow as I had been expecting, then we tried the large yellow bell with a 4T lead pipe and wow, how good can life get, this combination was so easy to play, just a slight breath into the instrument and it responded so well, piano up to C above the stave with no effort, beautifull full rich sound, not a Cornet sound but a full rich Trumpet sound that was so easy to produce and the Trumpet was just so reponsive.

    So we have settled on a Large Yellow with interchangeable lead pipes 6T, 4T and a 01 for outdoor or strong lead work, finish is raw so that I can work with the instrument for a few months before deciding on what finish I want, Laquer, Silver Plate or Gold.

    This is what the money covers, the service, the choice and an excellent hand made individual instrument that is made to suit you, I was with Leigh for two and a half hours and not once did it seem that I was taking up to much of his time.

    I asked the question if a lead pipe can make such a difference to a Trumpet could it also make the same difference to a Flugel, Leigh said that he had never been asked the question but he is going to play around with my Flugel lead pipes so that when I collect Trumpet I can try them and see what happens.

    I get it middle of April because I am away for a while but I will let you all know how it turns out.

    Keep up the good work Leigh.
  2. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    I've spent many hours at Eclipse playing various instruments over the last few years. I've had my Medium Yellow Eclipse (with Solar bell option) for the last year or so and it's been fantastic. I have 4T (shows / big band music), 2T general stuff / quintet more classical type shows.. and 4O for orchestral.

    I got mine finished with an accented scratch finish.. in clear lacquer.. the two tone bell looks cool.

    Picture here..

  3. GJacko

    GJacko Member

    I bought my Eclipse Trumpet about five years ago. Medium Red bell and suitable lead pipe. Valve block makes my Sovereign Cornet feel like they've been treated with wallpaper paste! Best investment I ever made and sounded great in the hands of Noel Langley. (Shame it doesn't sound as good in mine).

    Finished in 24ct Scratch Gold with bright accents. Best investment I ever made.
  4. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Well-Known Member

    You should try the piccolo - simply ASTONISHING!

    I am now the proud owner of a matching set - Flugel (copper bell), Bb Trumpet (MR) and Piccolo - all in scratch gold with polished highlights - they play even better than they look (and they look STUNNING)
  5. Par10

    Par10 Member

    During the summer season I have had ample opportunity to use my new Eclipse Trumpet and I have not been dissapointed.

    However the leadpipes that I took when I collected the Trumpet from Leigh left me a little uncertain about the sound I was getting, there is a big difference in playing solo and playing with a group/band.

    True to his word Leigh sent me a 4O leadpipe and as soon as I tried it I knew it was good, apart from a little vagueness in the sound of G & A in the stave the sound was good.

    I have never had to use the heavy caps on my Cornet or Flugel but I decided to try them out on the Trumpet just to see what happened, I put one on the third valve and the difference was very marked, the sound became much richer, and the harmonics in the stave improved, I put another on the first valve but that gave no real difference and then I tried all three valves with them but that seemed to kill the volume somewhat for no result.

    Lastly I tried heavy caps on the third and second valves and that gave an immediate difference to harmonics, sound, tuning and ease of playing.

    I now feel that I have a Trumpet that suits my idea of what a Trumpet should sound like, I am going to get the third heavy cap machined out so that it is approximately the same weight as the original, just to match all three valve caps, I am also going to be talking to Leigh whan he gets back from holiday about having triggers fitted to the first and third valve slides as never having had throw rings/saddles on an instrument before I find them cumbersome.

    I have some ideas about the finish that I would like and have to talk to Leigh about that as well but if it can be done it will be tasteful and not something that I have seen before.

    I look forward to posting some pictures when it is all finished.
  6. Par10

    Par10 Member

    I picked the finished Trumpet up on Thursday, as usual the greeting received from Leigh was excellent.

    The Trumpet, well it was everything I wanted it to be, Leigh had done his best to accomodate my wishes and had produced a truly unique Trumpet, Triggers on the first and third slides, silver with gold highlights and a gold bell.

    I now have a Trumpet, Cornet and Flugel from Leigh and I am not dissapointed with any of them, the more I play them the better they seem to get.

    Here are some pictures, you can enlarge them by going into my album and clicking on the picture.

  7. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Well-Known Member

    Very pretty - now how about some pictures of "the family"

    (or is that too close to porn?)
  8. Par10

    Par10 Member

    No problem, it is good to be able to show British made instruments that are pure quality. :clap:



  9. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Trumpet looks great.. welcome to the club!! :)

    May you have many hours enjoyment...
  10. astreet83

    astreet83 Member

    Are the cornets any good? Cost?
  11. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Cornets are very good, there is a basic cost, then additional cost depending on your finish (gold / silver plating).

    Full pricing details on the website
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2010
  12. astreet83

    astreet83 Member

    cheers will take a look
  13. Par10

    Par10 Member

    Whilst I was there I had a blow on Leighs new Trumpet, conventional tuning slide, different valve block, fixed lead pipe although there will be a choice.

    The Trumpet was good and considering that it will be cheaper than his normal range this will be great value for money.

    The sound was good, the slotting was spot on, it really was good to play, the valves were silky smooth, stainless steel really good quality.

    This Trumpet has to be worth a blow if you are in the market for a good professional instrument but are on a budget.
  14. squirrel

    squirrel Member

    How does the tuning on the cornets compare with Sovereigns? I've got a Prestige at the moment, and I love the sound it produces, hate the tuning slide trigger, but find that the tuning of some notes is at odds with the Sovereigns in the band. Don't know if it's me, the instrument, or everyone else, but there's certainly something different!
  15. Johncornetflugel

    Johncornetflugel New Member

    Being principle cornet shouldn't the others be tuning to you?;)
  16. Par10

    Par10 Member

    I have played alongside many players using Sovereigns and not had any problems, I own a round stamp Sovereign and I find the Eclipse easier to play and the sound is a little sweeter. I have not had any complaints about tuning or sound since I have had the Cornet, however I have been told on several occasions that it sounds really good.
  17. squirrel

    squirrel Member

    Thanks for the feedback, probably won't be able to afford for a while yet anyway, but thought I'd ask while I thought about it. And LOL @ John's comment :grin:
  18. Par10

    Par10 Member

    John does have a point, but I can believe that it is the person in the middle who is saying that the sound is wrong or that your instrument is not the same as the others, after all they are supposed to be the font of all knowledge!!!!!
  19. squirrel

    squirrel Member

    It's not what the MD is saying, it's more that no matter how we tune up, I always have to lip certain notes to be in tune with the rest of the section. However when we did look at the tuning of D's (4th line of stave), mine was bang on, and I think the rest were flat, according to the electronic widget.
  20. JCY

    JCY Member

    I've got an Eclipse cornet and I love it, but I'm now playing horn and have just bought a lovely new Sterling horn, so I've finally decided to sell my lovely Eclipse (albeit with a slightly heavy heart as it's the best cornet I've ever played, but there's no going back from horn now!). It's silver plated (red brass bell), about 3 years old and has been well looked after.
    If anyone's interested send me a PM :)

    City of Cambridge Brass Band

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