Drum sizes

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by animal.22, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. animal.22

    animal.22 Member

    What is generally the prefered drum sizes for kits in brass bands? The old favourite of :-

    12" 13" 16" toms & 22" kick (rock sizes) or

    10" 12" 14" toms & 20" kick (fusion sizes) just wondered.
  2. Colin Gray

    Colin Gray Member

    I think it is very much a personal choice. Top end kits offer near limitless options as opposed to fixed shell packs. It is also more common now to have shallower toms in "quick or fast" sizes. Add into that different skin choices and tunings and you can get all sorts of sounds from your drums! Lots of my pupils get a mixture of the two sets you mentioned - 10, 12, 14 with a 22 bass - this seems a very common combo in mid-range kits. For me personally, I like "power" size toms with a smaller kick - 10x9, 12x10, 14x12 and 20x16.
  3. animal.22

    animal.22 Member

    It was just a general musing as to what sizes were most popular for brass. It does seem to be that a lot of people are down sizing throughout the music scene and wondered how it was with brass bands.
  4. animal.22

    animal.22 Member

    General apathy then! I guess I should have expected it. :confused:
  5. I would say it doesnt matter what sizes or how much you spend. Good heads and good tuning are much more important. The most important things are, the best snare and snare heads you can afford, a loud deep bass drum, and the most expensive cymbals you can find.
  6. animal.22

    animal.22 Member

    <<< walks away and gently but rythmicly bangs his head against a wall :(
  7. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Shouldn't that be "the loudest cymbals you can find" ... ? [​IMG]
  8. simonium

    simonium Member

    Our drummers have a 10/12/14/22 set up. It makes far more sense than the 12/13/16/22 combination that was prevalent a few years back. It makes tuning much more easy as well as setting up and transport. Having played drums in brass bands before transferring to euphonium, I will say that of all band instruments in my experience drum kits are usually the least maintained and of poorest quality.
  9. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    I'll ask the dumb question that springs to mind, and probably shows me as a total philistine...

    What's the procedure for tuning a kit drum? I don't think I've ever seen a percussionist doing this... Do you need to tune in certain resonances, or is it just a case of getting the thing tight? In my ignorance, I'd assumed that "unpitched" meant exactly that - i.e. higher or lower than the next drum, but not with any huge degree of pitch precision.
  10. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

    I don't know precisely, but there was a clip on You Tube of Phil Collins tuning his drums ahead of recording Goody Two Shoes with Adam Ant.
  11. Ianroberts

    Ianroberts Well-Known Member

    Surely bin lids are more than adequate ?
  12. Matt the Shed

    Matt the Shed Member

    Choice of cymbals is very important. In particular, finding the right blend of metal can improve the sound of not only the drum kit, but the whole band by reducing certain ugly frequencies. After years of research into this, I found that melting the bass trombone down to make a cymbal vastly improves the sound of the band...
  13. simonium

    simonium Member

    Each drum shell has a natural resonance which suits it and I usually try and tune both heads to this pitch. The bottom head (resonant) amplifies the top head so getting them similar is important although interesting effects can be generated with disparate pitches. As for my kit (8/10/12/14/16 toms) I like to have an octave difference between the 8 and 12 and another between the 12 and 16. The 10 and 14 are tuned exactly midway their neighboring drums. I don't use specific pitches but some drummers - Terry Bozzio most notably - do. It's all good clean fun!
  14. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

  15. ploughboy

    ploughboy Active Member

    I was taught at college to tune a 4th apart . . . .
  16. animal.22

    animal.22 Member

    Many thanks to the people who actually answered my initial question. All the un-looked for info also gratefully recieved. :)
  17. animal.22

    animal.22 Member

    Eyup Garry, please excuse my ignorance but I was given to believe that it was a 5th, but am probly wrong :confused:
  18. Matt the Shed

    Matt the Shed Member

    Please tell me you don't bother carting these about to all your rehearsals, park jobs, or ents contests! Unless you're playing some cringe-worthy arrangement of EastEnders, when in a brass band would you need all of these?! Maybe I'm lazy, but I pretty much only ever take a four piece kit
    (i.e. two toms) out with me no matter what the job is. The only time this has ever caused me any problems is if Lincolnshire Poacher gets dusted off - this sounds pretty poor with too much of an interval between toms! I'd probably be happy to blag through most things with just a snare, bass, hats and a ride if it came to it...

    As for sizes, I'm happy cutting through a band with my little portable kit - 10" and 13" toms, 16" bass. If I can be bothered I might bring out my proper kit (12", 14", 18" bass), or if I want to scare people I'll bring out the 22" bass drum. Largely this decision is based on 1) what I can be bothered to carry with me and 2) whether I want to risk using my proper kit - don't think I've ever taken it to an outdoor gig.
  19. simonium

    simonium Member

    Ha ha! No I swore many moons ago never to play drums in a brass band again and have mostly stuck to this. If I did, it would be a 4/5 piece tops. With plenty of cymbals, but that's another issue.
  20. weenie

    weenie Member

    I don't think it matters too much whether you go for the fusion kit sizes or the rock sizes. As long as the kit is in tune and the snare is reasonably tight (for marches and stuff) that's if you're not using a seperate concert snare for marches or overtures etc. I personally like to use a four piece for concerts, 10" 14" Toms, 20" Bass, it depends what we're supplied with at the concert venue. But as far as general kits for bog standard concerts go, I suppose a five piece consisting of 10", 12", 14" Toms, 20" or 22" Bass Drum is an ideal set up and gives good range. It's all down to personal taste at the end of the day.