Discrimination against Percussionist

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by timps, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. timps

    timps Member

    I was browsing the runners and riders on www.4barsrest.com for the English Nationals and noticed that all of the other section leaders are mentioned (even Bb basses now) and wondered why the Percussion section leader is not mentioned.

    Is it a come misconception or are Percussion sections in Brass bands discriminated against?
  2. UncleStreaky

    UncleStreaky Member

    Careful how we answer this one so as not to get bashed!:eek:
  3. timps

    timps Member

    It should say common and not come. It wouldn't let me edit my first post.
  4. Accidental

    Accidental Supporting Member

    maybe you should ask the guy who wrote the article? ;)
  5. timps

    timps Member

    I have and I am waiting for a response, however I thought I would expand the question to banding in general as well.
  6. MarkGillatt

    MarkGillatt Member

    It's not only that tho for us poor shed builders, when a band takes to the stage for a march contest, as we will on Saturday, percussion is to be left out. Now I think that if a part is written, as most marches will have, then it should be played, they don't say, leave out the out of tune sop player do they? Or the barking baris, or the raspy troms or the laserbeam cornets and the parping horns and F*rting basses. Thats it, have I insulted every instrument yet?:biggrin:
  7. themusicalrentboy

    themusicalrentboy Active Member

    there is no more discrimination against percussion than any other section in a band.
  8. HBB

    HBB Active Member

    I really would have to disagree with the above post.
    Very rarely do you see a "good percussion" mark either on 4br or on individual comments unless it's a very prominent solo (and played well).

    I honestly think it's because they don't really have any idea what good percussionists should sound like - there is a huge difference between playing percussion parts in time and playing them well...
  9. WhatSharp?

    WhatSharp? Active Member

    And very rarely do you get both at once :biggrin::biggrin:
  10. themusicalrentboy

    themusicalrentboy Active Member

    so it's not discrimination it's misunderstanding.

    as soon as you start going on about discrimination this and that people start walking around with huge chips on their shoulders just itching for someone to make a comment in jest so they can launch into a scripted routine to prove why there are just as worthy as the next person.
  11. steve butler

    steve butler Active Member

    Well I was going to stick up for you lot but I'm not sure now!
    But as an experienced and quite adept "F*rting" bass player :wink: I do find there is a tendency by some to overlook the importance of the noisy lot at the back. Just try putting on a concert without them - or indeed with dodgy/sight reading deps.
    Not sure how much importance I would attach to the "principal players" list though.
  12. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    I wouldn't worry too much about the corner-men list. It's not them who win you contests is it? It;s your strength as a team. No use having Roger Webster on top man if he's got the equivalent of Curly, Larry and Moe sat next to him.

    That is one - and I hasten to add valid - way of looking at it. The problem is that percussion hides a multitude of sins within a band, and would probably make things even harder for adjudicators. For example, if there's a double-forte crash cymbal on a barline, it's going to be a hell of a sight more difficult for Mr whoever in his caravan to tell if the band was together or not on the same entry.

    At the extreme you could just pick a march with loads of percussion in it and obliterate half your mistakes under a carpet of cymbals. Alright, a really bad band would still come nowhere, but the tiny mistakes that separate a really good performance from a great one, would be that bit harder to detect.

    Anyway, what are you complaining about? It means you can do the road march, pack your gear up, and be in the pub before us brassies are even off the hymn tune!! ;)

    Maybe not the adjudicator, but the conductor frequently will! "Save it and come in on the octave," is a phrase every a sop player will hear many times.
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2008
  13. JesTperfect!

    JesTperfect! Member

    While I'm not a percussionist myself, I have many drum-bashing friends, so feel it only right that I stick up for them:
    I've frequently read the 'runners and riders' bits on 4br and never wondered about the percussion. BUT, upon reading the Eng Nationals one, I had the exact same thought.
    We have some excellent percussionists in our band-why shouldn't they get the same mention as any other player?
    At the National Youth championships, our percussionist won 'best instrumentalist' twice in a row-if they're eligable to win awards such as this, surely they should get a mention on the 'principal players' lists too?
  14. At Pontins '06, I did get a good/nice bells comment in the remarks. When I saw the adjudicators I mentioned I was pleased as perc often don't get commented on. I was trying to hint - do more of it.
    I often feel that we aren't taken too seriously but after all the percussion jokes, I think the band would miss us musically if we weren't there. I have been to a few rehearsals where there obviously hasn't been anyone on perc for a while and the MD has said what a nice change to have perc tonight.
  15. S Carey

    S Carey New Member

  16. eanto

    eanto Member

    Good point, but a bit detrimental to BBb bass players!

    The principal percussionist of the band should be mentioned. End of.

    In front of BBb bass:tongue:
  17. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Maybe it should be divided into two sections?

    "Musicians" and "People who hit things." ;)
  18. animal.22

    animal.22 Member

    Just to shove in my sixpeneth,I am totally convinced that us percussionists dont get the recognition that we deserve simply because people in general are unable to find words adequate enough to describe the absolute brilliance and depth of quality that we bring to the brass band genre.I mean,even I am struggling to find language of a suitable excelence good enough to extole the wonderous virtues of precussionists in general. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: ( I may be ever so slightly biased you understand )
  19. tinytimp

    tinytimp Member

    To refer to your point about principal percussionists not being mentioned in the 4br players list, surely it is much more difficult to ascertain who exactly is the 'principal'? With the brass players, there is only one person playing that particular part/sitting in the principal chair, whereas the percussion section includes a number of players capable of playing many parts and instruments. We all have our 'specialisms' or preferred instruments, which may be more or less important depending on the piece. At my last band we generally considered as principal the player who had been there the longest (although he didn't really agree with the title!), but each of us at various points and pieces had a more 'important' part than the others. In another, there was an amazing tuned percussionist who would probably be classed as the principal, but also a great kit player, without whom the rest of the section would be stuck!
  20. steve butler

    steve butler Active Member

    You surely can't be implying that BBb players are musicians?? :eek: