Dented horn and duff tuning

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  1. Mesmerist

    Mesmerist Well-Known Member

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    On a recent Christmas Job my horn took a tumble and has crunched a dent in the 3rd slide and pushed it out of alignment as I can't empty water out of it now. It wasn't the only accident that day as one of our bass players slid off the temporary stage but he damaged his back rather than his instrument. (Stage was high, slippery metal with no handrails during all the icy weather). I can't spare it to get repaired as we have Butlins coming up but I think it has altered the sound and tuning of some of the notes. Is it my imagination?
     
  2. Fettler

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    Probably worth getting a repairer to have a look in case there is damage beyond the obvious. Also, if the venue had no adequate safety measures and up to date risk assessment in place then your bass player should seek legal advice.
     
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  3. Jack E

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    And I think that you should seek legal advice, too, Mesmerist - aside from health and safety legislation, common sense should have prompted the organisers to have measures in place to minimise the risks of slipping.
     
  4. julian

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    Hi Mesmerist. If the dent is anything other than superficial in such a narrow piece of tubing (valve slide) it can very easily affect the tuning as you will have significantly reduced the bore size of that piece of pipe. I would defiantly find a good repairer to remove the dent for you.
     
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  5. Mesmerist

    Mesmerist Well-Known Member

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    He has. Well his work union has.
     
  6. Mesmerist

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    It's quite sizeable so I'd better see if I can get it done asap and perhaps borrow something else.
     
  7. MoominDave

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    I recall a story being told about a famous trombone player (was it Arthur Pryor?), who, whenever he had a new student come in playing a particular model of trombone, would (before hearing the player) start the lesson by taking the student's mouthpiece and whacking a dent in the main tuning slide. "There, I've fixed your sharp high F" he would say to the gobsmacked tutee.

    Not sure if it's an apocryphal story or not... Anyone know? Google's less help than it usually is. But definitely you can spoil (or improve!) your tuning with added dents if they're deep enough.
     
  8. Tom-King

    Tom-King Well-Known Member

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    If it's a well designed instrument, no dent is ever going to do good.
     
  9. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

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    Has any brass instrument ever been well designed?
     
  10. Tom-King

    Tom-King Well-Known Member

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    Some better than others ;)


    As for whoever designed the trombone.... :p
     
  11. MoominDave

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    "Designed"? It was brought whole and complete into our dimension to serve as a shining example of perfection to this degraded world.
     
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  12. Mesmerist

    Mesmerist Well-Known Member

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    Bit like the human female then Dave?
     
  13. MoominDave

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    Dunno... Do they have spit valves?
     
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  14. Mesmerist

    Mesmerist Well-Known Member

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    Course they do. Just try annoying one...
     
  15. MoominDave

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    I do that most days, Diane will vouch.
     
  16. Mesmerist

    Mesmerist Well-Known Member

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    Ah you big softie. You know she loves you!
     
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  17. MoominDave

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    I was genuinely trying to make an on-topic thread contribution here! I should find the OP to apologise to for distracting their thread... Oh wait...
     
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  18. Mesmerist

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    Oh I do love an off-topic veer..
     
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