Delphi vs MSN vs Mouthpiece

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by deave, Apr 5, 2004.

  1. deave

    deave Member

    I know its only the first day of uni holidays, but i've already started examining the things that used to keep me entertained. is my assesement of the good points of each of the forums.

    Delphi: Was great fun, loadsa anonymous slagging
    Msn: Had pictures
    Mouthpiece: The only professional one really.

    Combined bad point: I don't see why the people who created these forums have control of them. i.e. Mods; i think they should be voted for by the members. Not just be the mates or internetbocmates of the people who created these forums (absolutely no offence intended, but its true!)[/b]
  2. Moy

    Moy Active Member

    Muirton of Barras
    Hey come on Dave.
    Your Dad picked the people he wanted to moderate his forum.
    Who do you not like?

    Please don't pick Dave 'cause then all the girls will fall in love with him.
    He is a real charmer....most of the time. :wink:
  3. lynchie

    lynchie Active Member

    South London
    yeah, i think i should be given full control... :D

    nah, having seen some of the late nights these mods put in I don't think I'd be up for it!!!
  4. deave

    deave Member

    WOAH WOAH!!! I have absolutely no problems with any of the mods on this forum, but i think this place is starting to get really big now and some democracy should be involved. After all, if everyone thinks the current mods are doing a great job then a poll would only confirm their positions! :D

    p.s. i only used the word "democracy" cos no-one ever argues with it, except gaddafi and co.
  5. midwalesman

    midwalesman Member

    Huddersfield, West Yorkshire

    I think that all the forums were fun, although some of the slagging off did on occasions go to far. I liked the chat facility on one of the other forums and perhaps would like to see such a feature on here, although again I'm not sure how such a feature could be adequately controlled without slander and the like becoming an issue.

    As for the Mods, they do their work and make sure that people don't get harrassed by lies or scandalous gossip. By doing this they can control the right topics for everyone to enjoy and appreciate, and in the case of my many letters fall asleep or contemplate death!

    I suppose it would be nice to be a mod, but then, it seems like quite a commitment and so I think I'll stick to my writing of my tedious letters!

    But as I said, it would be nice to see a chat rooms facility on here, and perhaps as Deave mentioned, perhaps a rogues gallery which emphasises the funnier aspects of banding...nothing rude I couldn't put any of Deave's on...! :wink:
  6. ScrapingtheBottom

    ScrapingtheBottom Active Member

    In a dark, dark place.
    I think you'll find that gadaffi is okay with democracy now, as long as it lets him get on with his tyranting in peace... :shock: :D
  7. Andy_Euph

    Andy_Euph Active Member

    Gaddafi and co... do you mean Bush and Blair whose "democrary" = dictatorship

    Jesus Dave you cant be bored already :D
  8. jambo

    jambo Member

    Seoul, S.Korea
    I'm amazed he's out of bed at this time. First day of the hols, whatya thinking Dave, dont you have a hangover to nurse?
  9. TheMusicMan

    TheMusicMan tMP Founder Staff Member

    Hey Deave...

    Thought I'd be courteous by at least replying to your thoughts and concerns... hope this clarifies some things for you.


    ... glad tMP is one of the things that keeps you entertained Deave :lol: :tup I certainly enjoyed reading your post. :wink:

    ... and I shall endeavour to reply to each one of them...

    As is tMP great fun... though we don't allow any form of slagging here Deave let alone anonymous slagging - though I believe for financial reasons in the main, perhaps also one of the reasons Delphi is unfortunately as it is today.

    .. so does tMP have pictures, and some very good ones too... see!


    ... glad you think so Deave... :lol: It would seem that many of our members think so also...

    Hmmm... really. So, I guess you vote for who gives you your lectures in college then eh.

    Before tMP was created, I didn't know Neal, Roger, Ian, Rachel, Peter or Dyl... but through using and promoting tMP myself I sure am glad I met them and know them well now.

    You have absolutely no idea Deave what we go through to ensure tMP is a fair, pragmatic and enjoyable experience for everyone who visits us. You have no idea of the hidden forums, no idea of the many face-to-face meetings we have, no idea of the numerous phone calls and discussions held, and no idea of the plethora of threads and posts we have in ensuring all this happens seamlessly and for the benefit of our members.

    Ooh ooh ooh, just remembered that there is something you perhaps might need to be aware of in your quest Deave. As tMP grows we will at some time need additional moderators to keep up with the increasing number of posts and membership, and to maintain our levels of professionalism, so we do actually share thoughts as to who we feel would be great potential tMP Moderators for the future. You can bet your bottom dollar you have done your cause for one of these internetbocmate positions the power of good there Deave... :wink: :wink:

  10. deave

    deave Member

    Great reply! Thanks

    I'm not questioning at all the abilities of any of the mods, i was merely saying, that now it has become so big; why not let the vast array of users have some influence as to how it is run!

    As for this; of course we don't. But they are still accountable for their actions and lectures.
  11. Naomi McFadyen

    Naomi McFadyen New Member

  12. TheMusicMan

    TheMusicMan tMP Founder Staff Member

    As indeed we are also acountable and responsible for the way tMP is managed and run Deave. We feel we do a good job as well. I insist on several things;

    1 - that tMP is now and always will be a family friendly forum. The Mods all enforce this rule rigorously
    2 - that we follow due process and act pragmatically when we have any issues to deal with.
    3 - that we act in a totally professional manner all of the time

    I do take the running of tMP very seriously Deave, I hope you can see that.
  13. deave

    deave Member

    I'm sorry, but none of the above mean you are accountable! How are you accountable if no-one else can get involved without your say so?? I'm not trying to argue with you or question your abilty to run this website, like i said before.

    Naomi! I was trying to create a discussion about the merits of the forums that have existed, the suggestion that came from it wasn't my initial point!!!
  14. Keppler

    Keppler Moderator Staff Member

    Perhaps you'd like to take over the running costs of tMP, Deave...

    If you're waiting for some sort of constitution, methinks you'll be waiting a while. I think I'd speak for all the mods, and a sizable proportion of other members when I say that John's website is operated under the fairest and most open conditions. As to being accountable, all the mods are accountable to John, seeing as it's his website.

    As always, if you've issues, feel free to approach one of us. We'll slap the offender hard on the wrist at the next mods meeting.
  15. andywooler

    andywooler Supporting Member

    2 very good points from Keppler:

    1) This is John's website to which he has kindly invited us all. It's not a democracy. If we don't like it, we can vote with our fingers (on the keyboard of course!)
    You only have to remember the potential legal issues which faced the last owner of the delphi forum to realise whose butt is on the line!

    2) The management of any website takes both time and money. All the time tMP remains a non subscription service, I don't believe we have any rights to part ownership.

    Having been an early member of all of the various forums we've had over the years, I have to say that this one looks like running the course thanks to John and the team of volunteer moderators.
  16. dyl

    dyl Active Member

    Thanks for your words there Andy.

    You sure do Neal, however I would like to put my own thoughts on the subject.

    Adding to what Andy has said above, I don't think it's fair strictly comparing tMP to Delphi and MSN as those two were 'free' resources - i.e. anyone could have set up a forum at the time, and when the Delphi one finally packed up it was because charges were to be made to carry on using the service.

    tMP is the labour & love of one man - John - who solely 'picks up the tab' for all our enjoyment - ok the ads generate some money towards this - but still fall way short of contributing the total cost of running the forum (believe me you would all get a huge shock as to the actual costs involved) - so we, as Mods are here to not only enjoy the 'tMP experience' but to help run the forum as John sees fit - and we are united in our support for him. Can anyone here recall John whingeing about running costs? No - he does it for the love of the banding community - and that is to be greatly admired. This is not me being a creep here by the way - merely stating the facts.

    So as Neal has suggested if anyone has any suggestions as to the way the forum is run, either post in the suggestions forum (link kindly provided above by Naomi) or via pm or e-mail to any of us, and please be assured that all comments will be discussed accordingly.

    Also, if anyone feel they would like to contribute to the continuing success and growth of tMP, feel free to contact John to discuss advertising opportunities.
  17. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    Hadleigh, Essex
    As one of the latest "crop" of Moderators, I came into the world of the brass forum towards the end of the delphi forum, moving then on to MSN. I also was involved for a while with one attached to one of the Norwegian bands, that was offering a more sensible arena for discussion than MSN, which seemed at that stage to be degenerating into a lot of private interchanges between various cliques, with very little serious content.

    Having signed up to tMP it seemed to me to get the balance about right: opportunity for some serious discussion of important issues, the chance to meet up and make contact with banders around the country (and the world!), and also to share in friendly and humorous banter from time to time, without it being allowed to get out of hand.

    Having been approached and asked to join the team, you do tend to see things from a rather different perspective, and come to appreciate some of the difficulties in trying to keep things on an even keel, keeping the balance right so that all those involved feel welcomed and valued. Believe me when I say that we do not intervene lightly, and often many messages will have passed to and fro before any action is taken. On the other hand, if a complaint is received then we do try to act quickly, even if it is simply by temporarily removing the offending posting or thread.

    Although it is John's forum in a very real sense, and he it is who at the moment bears the weight of any increasing costs as the forum grows, the records show that tMP has always been ready to respond to sensible suggestions, and these have always been discussed, even if they have not been implemented. Ultimately, the future of tMP depends on us all pulling together, and supporting John who has made all this possible.
  18. rutty

    rutty Active Member

    Beeston, Nottingham
    Yeah! Let's have the lunatics running the asylum! :p
  19. TheMusicMan

    TheMusicMan tMP Founder Staff Member

    WOW, thanks for the support guys.. very much appreciated.... :)

    OK, let's put this to bed shall we...?

    Deave... a couple of points

    1 - accountability
    I think the only real person I am accountable to here is my wife :shock: :lol: as it is our joint bank balance that reduces each month despite the incredibly generous nature of our sponsors and supporters. As well as being very grateful to all of them for their ongoing and repeated support, I do obviously have a responsibility to each of them in ensuring that tMP remains 'online' and that they get suitable visibility from their tMP promotional campaign.

    I am also responsible to the entire tMP membership for ensuring the forum rules I initially devised (which have since been updated via moderator and membership suggestions) are adhered to. I and all the Mods are extremely proud to receive complimentary messages from parents stating what a safe place tMP is and that they have no worres about allowing their children to roam free within... i.e. free from foul language, from porn in sigs, from spam and other offensive messages.

    I and the Moderators are responsible to the membership for the professional running of tMP, period. Accountable to them, no, responsible to them, most certainly. If you have issues with this, as with everyone who visits us - it is entirely your call, however we feel we run tMP in a friendly, attractive and respectful manner such that people want to come here again and again.

    2 - influence as to how tMP is run
    I have always taken onboard an ideas or suggestions that anyone takes the time to inform me about. Priorities have changed and certain items that perhaps a year ago were important are not so important at present. This doesn't mean they are off the radar though. There is an area within tMP where you can post details and questions about any ideas you have thought up, and I will promise to respond to all these suggestions. It is not just as you say ... 'now that it has become so big' that this has been the case, it has been this way since tMP's inception.

    Andy is right to point out the legal aspects of running a busy forum based www site and to identify whose butt is on the line!!. I have legal representation and have used this on several occasions - which also costs a lot of money - all to ensure the points I raise in (1) and (2) are upheld.

    tMP will remain a free service, period. I have no intention of asking for payment for anything that is currently free on tMP.

    So, if anyone has any ideas, thoughts or suggestions as to how to improve what we have already, or add to what we offer here on tMP, as always - please feel free to contact myself or any of the excellent team of Moderators either by email, PM, or within the forum. We are all available on e-mail by john@, dyl@, neal@, ian@, peter@, rachel@ roger@

    Hope this clarifies any issues....

  20. Heppy

    Heppy Member

    Saddleworth, Yorkshire
    Ha ha. Deaves been told off!
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