Cornets and Trumpet mouthpieces

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  1. sparkling_quavers

    sparkling_quavers Active Member

    What do you think to cornet players that use trumpet mouthpieces?.My opinion is that it just sounds like a trumpet, doesn't merge with the section and causes a hell of a problem with tuning.
     
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  3. twigglet

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    I agree, a cornet player should use a cornet mouthpiece. If they want to sound like a trumpet, then play a trumpet!!

    If the reasoning is to be able to play higher easier then just buy a CORNET mouthpiece that is shallower!
     
  4. picju96

    picju96 Member

    Normally I use a normal 4b wick cornet mp, but at the moment I'm doing my A-level recital on trumpet, and need a trumpet sound, but going to band on cornet too, so I'm using a 1 1/4 C bach cornet mp which i suppose is a trumpet mp. Only for a short time though, but our md is having a fit!
     
  5. satchmo shaz

    satchmo shaz Active Member

    I have matching cornet and trumpet mouthpieces by vincent bach, the cornet one is deeper, but the rim size etc is the same
     
  6. Soppy

    Soppy Member

    I have a Vincent Bach 1 1/2 C Cornet Mouthpiece. This is essentially a trumpet mouthpiece, and when I use a trumpet I use a converter thingy!

    I use this mouthpiece in my Bb and Eb Soprano. Boy I'm glad I did that. This mouthpiece is DEFINATELY why I have such a good tone on my Sop (Don't want to blow my trumpet or anything!!!! :lol: :roll: ). That's the only thing that I'm good at (tone)! I've used other mouthpieces, and they don't do it for me. The only problem is the Bb sounds a bit trumpety. I'd be fine as bumper up on a front row, just no good as Solo!!!!
     
  7. Emb_Enh

    Emb_Enh Member

    What do you think to cornet players that use trumpet mouthpieces?.My opinion is that it just sounds like a trumpet, doesn't merge with the section and causes a hell of a problem with tuning.
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    I totally agree ---a proper cornet mpc should be used thereby keeping a true cornet sound. AND...also vice versa.

    Hey do you guys know about the WICK copies made by this guy in CANADA [TED SPARX] that are exact replicas + he has then a good range of matching TRUMPET mpcs with his counterpart GARY RADTKE.

    Thought this may be of interest to you CORNET/TRUMPETERS...

    WWW.SPARXMUSIC.COM
     
  8. Okiedokie of Oz

    Okiedokie of Oz Active Member

    In my band, a large majority of my cornet section are using student model Yamaha cornets with standard mouthpieces. The sound, I feel, is too thin and light. Is there a mouthpiece that might thinken things up a bit without sacrificing range??
     
  9. Emb_Enh

    Emb_Enh Member

    Is there a mouthpiece that might thinken things up a bit without sacrificing range??
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    Hiya!

    with great respect, if you find that ANY mouthpiece gives you better range than any other particular one they you are doing 'the range thing' inefficiently.

    What tends to happen with ALL brass players and mouthpieces, is that they are TOO mouthpiece dependant.

    What does this mean?.....well....

    If you are able to produce the same range on your lip buzz that you can ACTUALLY play on the instrument then you are NOT mouthpiece dependant ...

    MOUTHPIECE DEPENDANCY

    ie. using the rim as a crutch to support the embouchure muscles to enable lip vibrations to take place.


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    Having said that, YAMAHA student models insts. are Fine! ...and so are the mpc's [I use one on flugal]...but....you could give the guys/gals a try on the SPARX equivalent size. It's a better design and MORE tone.

    It's a bit like driving a 1.6L FORD ESCORT [YAMAHA]... and swapping it for ...
    a 1.6 BMW [SPARX] ---- It's the same size but a better build / design

    I hope some of this helps....[I'm not on commission with sparx]

    www.sparxmusic.com
     
  10. bennem

    bennem Member

    One of the things about playing in a sub section of a section (as it were) on the solo cornet bench is that you all need to have a similar tone so that when one person breathes the gaps are covered and you don't hear the change in tone. So having a section playing on pretty much the same mouthpiece does help. Instruments being the same also helps.

    At Corsham we play Wick 4b's but I also have a Sparx. BTW They are expensive but I bought it direct from Canada rather than through the UK distributor and saved about 15quid. Anyway I found that while you can produce a very mellow tone it was difficult to match tone with the principal who was on the Wick 4b.

    The Sparx are not Wick copies. The sizes are different and the so called equivalent Sparx are slightly smaller in rim diameter but with a deeper more conical cup shape. Not as deep as a 4 but deeper than a B.
     
  11. Emb_Enh

    Emb_Enh Member

    Anyway I found that while you can produce a very mellow tone it was difficult to match tone with the principal who was on the Wick 4b.

    ... other people may not find this...

    The Sparx are not Wick copies. The sizes are different and the so called equivalent Sparx are slightly smaller in rim diameter but with a deeper more conical cup shape. Not as deep as a 4 but deeper than a B.

    .....W E L L worth knowing THANKS!!
     
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  13. Emb_Enh

    Emb_Enh Member

    MORE info also...

    SPARX

    Model 2 = similar to a DW2 / VB 1 / 1B [.670'']

    Model 3 = similar to a DW3B or 3 / VB 5A or 3 [.660'']

    Model 4 = similar to a DW 4B or 4.5 and VB 7A [.650'']

    I think the operative word is 'similar' ...so....a good alternative for some players perhaps -- hehheh the mpc safari never ends for some people! :lol:
     

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