Cornet update.

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Ant W, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. Ant W

    Ant W New Member

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    I posted a thread titled John Packer Cornets a few weeks ago. Thanks for all of the input, it was really interesting how views led from one thing to another.
    Having decided that a step up cornet might not be what I needed I decided to try a few new large bore models. The first was a Geneva Symphony, which looked to be very well engineered and felt really nice. The sound (remember I am a returning player after a long lay off) was rich and the instrument was easy to blow and the valves felt really good. The second was a 928 G Sovereign. The tone was really rich and the instrument felt good to hold. I nearly ended my search there but I tried a Yamaha Neo. Again a really nice instrument feeling lighter (maybe just me) than the others. For me it lacked the richness in tone of the Sovereign and the Symphony.
    So my mind was made up - a 928G Sovereign, that was until I, by chance, had a go on an old 921 Sovereign. Wow, it felt like I was holding something really solid, the valves felt amazing and the tone was really rich. I couldn't believe that it was made in the 1980s. After a bit of negotiation I am now the proud owner of a 921 and I've saved some cash! It has a few scuffs but looks really good for its age - built in 1981. I am thinking of having it completely refurbished. Does anyone know if you can fit a modern trigger instead of the ring on the third valve slide?
    Thanks again to everyone who contributed to my last post.
     
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  2. Tom-King

    Tom-King Well-Known Member

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    Congratulations :)

    Pleased to hear you've found something you like, and got it for a good price :)

    Complete refurbishment may not be necessary, it depends on the condition at present and what (if anything) would actually need doing to it - the quality of repairpeople (who you'd take it to for refurbishment) varies considerably, as do their personalities... IMHO it's worth going to one of the best, and there are certain ones I'd avoid like the plague - if nothing else, the peace of mind is worth it alone, but the quality of the work matters to me a great deal (I can be very fussy about my equipment though - it's not that I can't get results on things that don't quite play how I want, it's that I'm less comfortable and don't enjoy it as much)
     
  3. Ant W

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    Thanks Tom. If I decide to have it done I'll probably use McQueens, they seem to have good reviews. I too like to see good workmanship especially when breathing new life into something special.
     
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    Wouldn't be my choice, but naturally up to you.

    Is there anything obvious (to you) that needs doing to it maintenance wise?
     
  5. Ant W

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    There are a few minor dings and it carries the scuffs associated with age and usage. A re-plate would be good (not essential). A modern trigger replacing the ring on the third valve slide if possible - an old hand injury makes the ring uncomfortable. Advice on good repair workshops would be great.
     
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    Where the trigger lever is concerned... there's a good chance (I can't confirm it for certain, but it seems likely) that the lever from the 920 Sovereign would fit - that's the medium bore version that ran alongside the 921, and had a lever instead of the ring.
    You can find one >>>HERE<<< for the 920 - atleast to me, at that price you almost might as well buy one and see whether it fits - I would think it would, but can't be certain.... if that provided the solution, then you'd be able to keep the original lever put to one side (in order to be able to restore to original if you ever wanted to sell it).... otherwise, you're probably looking at having someone modify your existing lever.

    Dings and scratches are gonna depend on where they are and how deep they are - for even the best repairers, getting out hefty dents in certain spots can be time consuming (and often difficult to do without pulling the instrument to bits), and you'll often lose some of the finish in the process... if you're happy with the cost of having all this done and the instrument replated (you can count on atleast £300 for a decent full silver plate job, plus more for repairs).

    Personally, I'd take it to Leigh McKinney at Eclipse - that's because a) he's one of the very best around and b) we know each other well already (I was one of the guys involved with the design/testing of the Eclipse soprano cornet - so I've been to his workshop dozens of times, seen how he interacts with customers and know that he's just as happy to recommend not getting work done if he feels there's nothing to be gained by it, in the end though he'll do what he's asked to do)...
    In all seriousness, I think most serious players in this country would point you to either Leigh (Eclipse Trumpets), Andy Taylor (Taylor Trumpets) or Will Spencer, for a trumpet/cornet/flugel at the very least - there might be specialist trombone or low-brass guys, but that's not my field and I'm not as sure of who's out there.
     
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  7. 2nd tenor

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    Good repair shops ...... well it all depends whose judging, and then your experience might not match theirs. If you could indicate which part of the country you are in (or willing to travel to) then someone might suggest something.
     
  8. Ant W

    Ant W New Member

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    I don't mind where they are if they are good I'll travel..I'm east coast, Lincolnshire.
     
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  9. Ant W

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    Thanks Tom. I'll check them out, You have been most helpful. Now all I need is a good physio to sort out old slow fingers!
     
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    2nd tenor Well-Known Member

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    I might be mistaken but I think that Euphonium Lite is in that area, or not to far away from it. He’s the type of person who would have a well informed opinion. It is worth travelling to get a good job done and sometimes, by prior agreement, a repairer will work on your instrument whilst you wait. YMMV but I don’t seek the very best repairer for my instruments but rather someone who does a really good job and is near enough for me to reach.

    Edit. Word of mouth or rather personal recommendation can be a great help. My local repairers do a passable job, sometimes it’s at least good enough and other times I’m less happy. I asked some folk just outside of my area for their experiences and recommendations. They came up with someone to avoid and two good leads, one has done vey good work for me and the other is even better - I had to travel some distance but their actual bills weren’t unreasonable. YMMV.
     
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