Cheesyest arrangement ever!

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by TrumpetTom, May 30, 2011.

  1. Anglo Music Press

    Anglo Music Press Well-Known Member

    All the advice we are giving you is well-meant, honestly!

    It's NOT legal for you to do an arrangement of the Birdie Song without paying for a licence from the UK copyright holder - Valentine, it seems.

    Similarly with the Enescu. Buying a copy does not mean you can make an arrangement without a licence.

    Please listen to those who know, rather than 'a person who's done arrangements of the Birdie Song'.........
  2. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Not forgetting Mr Norman too.... (Sorry Andrew....)

    I'm going to go out on a limb here Tom - you know me personally and you also know full well I'll not tell you any nonsense. The information you already have is wrong, and I don't care where it came from. Please don't find out the hard way!!!!
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2011
  3. TrumpetTom

    TrumpetTom Member

    I'll ask valentine music, but other people who know as much are saying opposite. Maybe there are exceptions with this one - they've published it before - I don't know. But either way someones wrong here which means copyright law needs reformation because if it was so straight forward, publishing houses would know the answer to a simple question.
  4. TrumpetTom

    TrumpetTom Member

    I know Philip and thankyou but I've been told very different things off very knowledgeable people so there for I sway each time I read something. And I wasn't planning on doing the Enescu, I focus on composition these days :D much easier. And this blokes from a big company who've published it before.
  5. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    General John Sedgwick was a very knowledgeable soldier in the union army, Tom. His last words were "Come on boys! They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...."

    Anyone can be wong. What I'm saying is, if your source IS wrong, (and I'm absolutely convinced he is) then you take the fall for it - not him.
  6. TrumpetTom

    TrumpetTom Member

    Okay, I'm assuming nothing, my video has extra protection and I've emailed valentine. If they look at it on my facebook, they'll run the risk of pedofilia.. or something :D lol
  7. Anglo Music Press

    Anglo Music Press Well-Known Member

    Trust us, Tom, The Birdie Song is in copyright - I'm 99.9999999% sure. (This figure is not 100%, because it is, of course, conceivable that the composer was so ashamed of it that he denied all knowledge of the piece...)

    But no-one in his right mind would make an exception of a piece which will probably pay his pension.

    Don't believe people just because they give you the answer you want. :)
  8. Maestro

    Maestro Active Member

    Sorry Tom, but I've got to say this.
    You have had many pieces of top advice from people who actually know, and still, it seems that you want to go against their advice.
    Well, if you do continue against their advice, then you deserve everything that comes your way if someone shops you.
    It will be your own fault.
    When people as well respected as those that have tried to advise you (free advice as well) - Andi, Philip, Andrew, Moomin etc - and you ignore that advoce, then I'm sorry, that just smacks of arrogance and you could be heading for a very nasty experience.


  9. eflatbass

    eflatbass Supporting Member

    This particular thread now reports in excess of 1100 views, and that, to me, increases the risk to the op. Had he not announced his intentions on tMP, perhaps none of the audiences listening to his work would have given a second thought to the copyright implications.

    I sincerely hope there are no vindictive members on this forum, but for complete peace of mind, I strongly recommend that TrumpetTom abandons the exercise.

    And, before anyone should ask, I would never report anyone for copyright infringement, unless of course it involved one of my own original compositions.
  10. JesTperfect!

    JesTperfect! Member

    Little bit off-topic perhaps, but....

    One rule for you, another for everyone else, perchance? :confused:
  11. katieeuph

    katieeuph Member

    I think Liza Minelli must read tMP- even she (on the Graham Norton Show tonight) was on about making sure that songs she covers are in the public domain !!
  12. TrumpetTom

    TrumpetTom Member

    Yes I am not ignoring the advice and I am seeking extra info to what I have already got as suggested where suggested. If I was that solid on not taking it would I really be writing on here? Seriously? No, becuase as I say when loads of very respectful people say very different things you cant believe anything - for a start you don't know what to believe! But yeah I'll be cautious and take some of barry's advice.
  13. eflatbass

    eflatbass Supporting Member

    No. All I am saying is, that I would do my best to protect my own interests, as would any other composer. I consider that it is the duty of other composers/copyright holders to protect their interests (as I am sure most of them do!).
  14. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    As regards the use of work for educational purposes - you may with to consult the UK copyright service's online factsheets, like this one.

    Particularly this section:

    So under the terms of copyright law it appears you would be covered if (for example) you or your tutor took four bars of a copyrighted work, and from that you expanded your own piece. Or if they gave you the melody line alone and asked you to harmonise it. But in each of these cases only if you also met the other criteria, which does not run to arranging the entire work. Or to putting it onto the internet, even for free.

    I was told recently by a chap who's effectively a professional musician that he could quite legally arrange anything by anyone as long as it was only used for performance in a church at which no-one would was charged an entrance fee. (I must confess this was a new one on me, since our local church even got into trouble for photocopying the words from hymn books and putting them up on overhead projectors for the congregation to sing!) I've been checking the UK copyright service website on and off since, and have so far found no justification in law for this assertion. Anyone else know if this one holds any water?

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