Carnival - Comments?

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by WhatSharp?, Sep 26, 2006.

  1. WhatSharp?

    WhatSharp? Active Member

    Ok Having heard Carnival (and quite frankly dreading what I they had in store for us this year following on from the last 2 years) I was pleasantly suprised. It's a fairly pleasant piece it doesn't (to the listener) seem to be technically difficult, and there are some real moments.

    I'm glad to say I think they may have made a good choice this time!. Might be a bit of a culture shock after Variations and Images though!.
  2. HBB

    HBB Active Member

    It's lovely!!!
  3. flugelman

    flugelman Member

    Our band had a quick run through it the other night. On first impressions it seems a nice piece of music and an appropriate test for the section. I'm looking forward to rehearsing it, once we have completed Pontins and Butlins!
  4. stephen_clapton

    stephen_clapton New Member

    Had a little look over the solo cornet copy the other day while listening to the cd and it seems great to me. It seems very familiar, but I might have played it at some point and my memory has blanked out yet again :rolleyes: Its the sort of piece that will be enjoyable for bands to play and for the audience (along with the other selections), which can only be a good thing. Roll on March........... :D
  5. Lotta

    Lotta Member

    We are waiting for our copy to come through.... is it in movements? Anything has got to be better than Images!!
  6. ploughboy

    ploughboy Active Member

    well, I found a copy of Carnival by mistake in our libary tonight, having flicked through - it looks wonderfully musical without the servere tests of technique that have been on show recently. Looks like it'll be good to rehearse with some nice little solos on different lines to normal (bass trom, solo bari, 2nd trom) it'll be the style and musicality that'll sort 'em out at the top, good for the MD's to have a challenge,

    p.s. three movements -
  7. Gaz W

    Gaz W New Member

    Good stuff, i'm all for challenging MD's and Solo Bari's, and with a piece from 1957 it should be just in the right generation for most adjudicators!
  8. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    :clap: ... naughty!
  9. Bass Man

    Bass Man Active Member

    It sounds like a very musical piece, it's just what the 2nd section needs after Images, I can't wait to get into it.
  10. michellegarbutt

    michellegarbutt Supporting Member

    anything is better than images
  11. iancwilx

    iancwilx Well-Known Member

    Biog of Helen Perkin just for interest :-
    Looks like it might have been scored by John Ireland.

    The case of Helen Perkin is an interesting one. She was a pupil of John Ireland and is said to have inspired his Piano Concerto - she certainly played the premiere of this at the Proms in 1930 and on many subsequent occasions. She also composed. As early on 1931 her solo song The Ride By Night appeared in a Doncaster concert. There were a number of published piano solos like Episode, Four Prelude (subtitled Cortege, The Wheel, Shifting Sands and Ambush - and a genre piece The Village Fair (1934) in three sections "The Crystal Gazer", "The Puppet Show" and "The Acrobats". She even figures in the brass band world, her Carnival being the test piece in the Open Championships of 1957 and Island Heritage at the same Championships five years later. I have been unable to establish whether she herself scored these pieces and others like the Cordell Suite and the Three Pieces, also for brass band, possibly from piano originals, but it seems unlikely in view of the specialised nature of brass band instrumentation - her mentor John Ireland of course wrote two fine works for the medium. Unpublished was the children's ballet for violin, clarinet, bassoon and piano, entitled King's Cross: noting to do with railways, however, as it is subtitled "Calamity at Court"!

    - Wilky
  12. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    Above 'bio' came from this site. ;) Not a lot about her on the net, I'm afraid! :-?
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2006
  13. iancwilx

    iancwilx Well-Known Member

    I really do apologise - I should have mentioned the source of the bio.
    - Wilky
  14. Chunky

    Chunky Active Member

    I must be missing something here.

    We rehearsed Carnival for our local association contest 4 years ago and unanimously the band found it an absolute chore to rehearse.

    Would swap Carnival for Images any day as it was a test and offered a challenge to the players.
  15. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    - no harm done! ;)
  16. Bryan_sop

    Bryan_sop Active Member

    We were the same, belive it was one of the set pieces for Norwich a few years ago. We sent it back after the first read through. Sorry, been waiting to post that for ages but no-one else seemed to have anything bad to say about it!
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2006
  17. WhatSharp?

    WhatSharp? Active Member

    Each to his/her own. It would be a boring world if we all agreed :D .

    Personally I hated images I thought it was awful (especially after all the chopping up, the original is probably great), yes it was a challenge but a ridiculous one to set for second section. Having a less demanding piece reduces the stress and makes the on stage performance so much more enjoyable (In my own opinion). TBH I reckon theres still plenty of places in Carnival to catch the unwary ( just from listening to it), there usually are :D
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2006
  18. Chunky

    Chunky Active Member

    A less demanding piece makes it more enjoyable? Its called a 'test' piece for a reason Steve, there is nothing to say it should be stress free and enjoyable. Its there to test bands and decide who is the best and surely that can only be decided under pressure conditions? :wink:

    Back to Carnival though. I agree there are places to catch out the unwary and those who under estimate it will fall down. However from my personal perspective having rehearsed the Bb bass part before I know I am in for an uninteresting time leading up to Stevenage.

    I feel Carnival was a 'knee jerk' reaction to appease the masses who felt Images was too tougher a test for bands last year. We may not have played it anywhere near perfectly on the day, but I know as a band we became stronger for it becuase of the intensity of rehearsals and amount of personal practice that was required.
  19. davidwalton

    davidwalton Member

    At least with a reasonable test piece, it leaves less to the descretion of the Adjudicator, ie. tempo markings are there to be followed, not ignored. In the past, adjudicators have penalised Bands for playing to the tempo markings by ignoring those that didn't.

    Yes, it is meant to be a test, but a fair one. With a piece that is well within the reach of all Bands, the test is the music produced by each band through the direction of their MD. How it should always be. We should not have to be second guessing the Adjudicators as to what they will be ignoring or not.

    Carnival appears to fit the bill.
  20. David Pegram

    David Pegram Member

    Have to agree with Chunky.
    As an MD this is the sort of piece i dreed.After a couple of weeks the band will think they can play it.
    Wish we hadn't got promoted now.