Cancelled Area Contests?!?!

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Steve, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. Steve

    Steve Active Member

    If for whatever reason one of the area contests is cancelled, does anyone know what the contingency plan is?

    For example, if due to adverse weather / fire / H&S reasons a venue is unable to host the contest what happens next? Obviously rescheduling would be nigh on impossible due to bands other commitments and venue hire, would the nationals be the same without a whole area represented in one/two/all sections and do the organisers have sufficient insurance to ensure that all bands expenditure for the contest (ie entry fees, test piece, bus fees etc) can be covered?
  2. ian perks

    ian perks Active Member

    A very good point made here:clap: as anyone else thought about this
  3. skweeky

    skweeky Member

    I think the whole of planet earth would instantly combust! I mean, it's unheard of. It would be a sure sign of Armageddon!
  4. The Wherryman

    The Wherryman Active Member

    Apparently not. The Rules are silent on the subject. Perhaps the thought is just too unthinkable.
  5. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    My guess is that the ol' dunkirk spirit would kick in and it would get reorganised somehow - albeit I'm hoping it doesn't happen because a lot of people put a lot of time into organising area contests and they'd be the ones running round trying to rearrange things and getting twice as frazzled in the process!!
  6. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

    Just pick lots to decide who finished where, with the top three going to the finals!
  7. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    Some would say that they did that anyway :D
  8. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Believe it or not, in football world cups, if teams in the group stage are dead level on points, goal difference etc (say all the games in the group end as 1-1 draws) they do actually draw lots to see who goes through.
  9. johnmartin

    johnmartin Active Member

    Well this almost did happen at the Scottish Championships in Motherwell in 2006. Heavy snow on the morning of the contest meant that only Lochgelly and Dalmellington were actually in the hall for the start of the 1st section contest. A delayed start allowed others to turn up and I believe a lot of player borrowing was allowed to get complete lineups on stage. There was a point early on that morning when a cancellation was seriously considered. Eventually though it did go ahead.
  10. James Yelland

    James Yelland Active Member

    The same applies (also believe it or not) to elections, if two or more candidates have equal numbers of votes.
  11. Steve

    Steve Active Member

    For a one off contest I would imagine a cancellation isn't the end of the world, however disappointing. But the areas..... that has a massive impact.

    Imagine the worst case scenario, which is the Yorkshire area being cancelled. I would suggest that there is zero chance of finding a weekend where all the bands are available as 3 of the competitors do in excess of 30/40 gigs a year and the lower section bands cannot (probably) afford to be cancelling a previously booked concert. If someone does cancel a concert, who would fill their place as all the other bands are at the contest too?!

    Seriously, there must be an official answer to this. It cant just have not been thought about by anyone, ever, can it......! :rolleyes:
  12. Bandsman1

    Bandsman1 Member

    In foorball they have a "POOLS PANEL" to say who (in their opinion) would have won, perhaps a team of qualified adjudicators could do the same? But of course, no one from that area could be on the panel. Sounds like a plan to me. SORTED! :)
  13. The Wherryman

    The Wherryman Active Member

    The Pools Panel can look at last weeks performance, and the week before and the week before...

    To use the same process for the Areas, the panel would only be able to look at the previous year's performance. A year is a long time in banding - players come and go, and last year's band can be well above (or below) what this year's band is capable of. Just look at the way some bands zoom up (or down) the sections.
  14. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    You can look at other contests too to get an idea of a band's current form. Paddy Flower does this, and the odds that he gives are pretty reliable. But contest results are so subjective that no-one would ever take a low placing with good grace.

    Perhaps the fairest way to do it would be to arrange for all bands to record their performances in their rehearsal rooms in some official and consistent way. Then the area committee could pass all of these on to the adjudicator, who could make the adjudication from the comfort of their own living room. It might even make for a better adjudication!
  15. subtlevib

    subtlevib Member

    OMG, are there actually any signs of life outside Yorkshire?
  16. bbg

    bbg Member

    Remember that year well - the 1st Section was on the Sunday ; on the Saturday we set off from Perth in horrendous snow wondering if we'd get anywhere near Motherwell, only to find that the weather improved drastically about halfway there and the first two sessions of the day ran pretty much to time. Weather changing meant that a couple of 4th section bands were running late for the evening but I think that all was sorted out draw-wise in a common sense manner.
    Dalmelington won the 1st after many bands did indeed have terrible journeys......wuth the test piece being "Voyage of Discovery"!
  17. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    That's revolutionary talk, that is. When you get home tonight, check all lampshades for bugs/listening devices. You have now been placed on a MI5 'watch' list, your mail will be opened and all overblown notes during rehearsals will be noted down on your file.
  18. Steve

    Steve Active Member

    Erm, I hope so as I live in the Midlands. Name me 3 Midlands bands that are equally as busy as the 3 in my example..........
  19. Accidental

    Accidental Supporting Member

    Its not really the worst case scenario for 400+ bands in the other 7 regions......!

    IF any regional contest was rescheduled, I'm guessing most bands would manage to make it - I get your point, and it would obviously be a logistical nightmare for contest organisers and bands secs, but gigs can be rescheduled or subbed out to bands from other regions and a lot of players could/would change plans to be there on a different date.

    It would be good to know what (if any plan) Kapitol and the regional committees do have in place, but I honestly can't imagine weather conditions in March ever being so bad that an entire area contest would have to be cancelled/rescheduled.

    Has it ever happened before?
  20. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Mmm, not entirely convinced. This year it's not an issue for us, because out section falls on the Sunday, however the circumstances would be different if it were a Saturday. I know that for a number of our members who work in retail, Saturdays are a major headache; in the first place they are only allowed a limited number of Saturdays as holidays in a year, and that because coverage has be organised with other staff, once Saturdays are booked they are not always easily cancelled/rescheduled. In fact, in general with the way in which companys are reducing staff coverage, booking holidays for band engagements is proving increasingly problematic (especially for parents with school-age children). To the extent that we are increasinlg facing pressure from some members to make decisions about which contests/concerts the band will commit to almost a year in advance. Clearly this is not always possible, but it is a factor.