I depped for a non-contesting band at the weekend, who had quite a varied programme, one of the pieces being an arrangement of beyond the sea. (Bernaerts I think. It was certainly cheesy enough.) What surprised me was the complete inability of some of the players to produce a swing rhythm. It probably would have been fine except half of them could, half couldn't and the resulting oddments of rhythm here and there was a bit of a cacophony. (Oo-er.) I was reminded of hearing a military band play 'American patrol' a few months back, and they played every quaver straight as a die. They were all absolutely together, and the quality of the sound couldn't be faulted, but it FELT wrong without that big-band style. As Mr Sparke proved you can knock the two styles together with awesome effect if you know what you're doing (Graduation day being a case in point) But can you imagine 'Sing Sing Sing' played with straight quavers? Yikes! Is it that some players just can't latch onto the sort of 12:8 feel that four-beat swing has? Opinions appreciated.