Maybe I have got this wrong, but I certainly get the impression that some of the posters on tMP think that bands that don't compete arn't any good. There are so many bands around, that really don't want to get caught up in the hassle of competing. They exist to play music to the best of their ability, and do just that. Some of the best bands do just that - play music to a high standard; don't have to worry about fund raising for coaches and entrance fees......... There seems to be two sides to the banding world.....those that compete and those that don't. As it happens I play in two bands - one that does, and one that doesn't. I certainly could never be able to say that the non competing band is worse, in fact its better. Packed full of good players. The non competing band has a full calander of bookings - concerts. We play to the public, not just other banders. I hope that I havn't sounded too harsh here - just trying to put the "other" viewpoint.