I'll add one other thing to Dave's list of reasons that brass bands don't fit the Proms bill (all of which I agree with, as usual). They don't know who to talk to. Typically arranging a classical music festival programme will involve contacting agents and orchestra managers. The Festival Director might pop out for lunch with the MD of Harrison Parrott or some other agency and ask which conductors and soloists might be free for the 2020 Proms, or who they've got on their books who is "up and coming". A US orchestra planning a European tour will typically make the Proms aware that they are around and that flights and hotels won't cost as much because they're in Paris or Stuttgart the night before instead of Tucson or Seattle. In all of these cases, all the relevant people know who all the other relevant people are - they'll have the numbers in their phone. When Grimethorpe got that ground-breaking Proms gig in the 70s it wasn't because they were Grimethorpe. It was because they were conducted by Elgar Howarth, and the relevant people knew who he was and knew how to get hold of him - and he knew how to get hold of them. That doesn't apply to brass bands these days. If I am a complete newbie to the brass band world, how do I know (a) who to book - i.e., who are the best current bands and (b) how to book them? It's another world, that the average music festival director is utterly unaware of and uncomfortable in. They need to be presented with proposals, backed up with band and conductor CVs to illustrate the quality of musicianship and professionalism. I would suggest that if the band managers at B&R, Fodens, Black Dyke, Grimethorpe, Cory, Eikanger or Valaisa were to join forces to put together a few proposals and go and meet the powers that be in London to put those proposals forward, they'd be warmly received. I would further suggest that if that proposal featured someone who understands brass bands but is well known in the wider musical world as well, like Tovey, or Gregson, or Withington, that might add sufficient lustre to swing the deal. Possibly Brass Bands England could help to co-ordinate such an approach. But if bands sit and wait for the phone to ring, it's going to be a long old wait! I would very much agree with this, and it might be something even better suited to the more diverse and freewheeling nature of Edinburgh... Maybe BBE could do London and SBBA could do Edinburgh? Or am I venturing into dream territory now...?