Black Dyke Mills Band transition to Black Dyke Band

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  1. John Brooks

    John Brooks Well-Known Member

    I believe this change occurred sometime in 1994 but can't find anything definitive on the Internet. I'm a little surprised that the Dyke website doesn't make any reference to that change, especially since it also marked the end of the "John Foster & Son" association.

    Does anyone know when the formal change took place?
     
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  3. Anglo Music Press

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    Looking at the 4br Contest Archive, they competed as John Foster & Son Black Dyke Mills Band at the 1994 Yorkshire Area and Black Dyke Band at the Finals the same year. Not definitive, but I guess the change came between March and October that year.
     
  4. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    We currently have the following stylings recorded against them on BrassBandResults for that period. Note that this isn't a guarantee that they were listed on the programme that way - data comes to us by various routes, and it is always possible (indeed, I think likely here) that some simplification has occurred, in one direction or another.

    14/3/93 Area - "John Foster Black Dyke Mills"
    4/9/93 Open - "Black Dyke"
    27/2/94 Area - "John Foster Black Dyke Mills"
    10/9/94 Open - "Black Dyke"
    29/4/95 European - "Black Dyke Mills"
    9/9/95 Open - "Black Dyke"
    21/10/95 National - "Black Dyke Mills"
    4/5/96 European - "Black Dyke Mills"
    7/9/96 Open - "Black Dyke"
    19/10/96 National - "Black Dyke Mills"
    1/3/97 Area - "Black Dyke (1855)"

    Looking at those, the Open series of stylings seems both anomalous and less informative than the others. If we remove those, we see:

    14/3/93 Area - "John Foster Black Dyke Mills"
    27/2/94 Area - "John Foster Black Dyke Mills"
    29/4/95 European - "Black Dyke Mills"
    21/10/95 National - "Black Dyke Mills"
    4/5/96 European - "Black Dyke Mills"
    19/10/96 National - "Black Dyke Mills"
    1/3/97 Area - "Black Dyke (1855)"

    Which gets you broadly a confirmation of what you already had, sorry not to be of more help...
     
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  5. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    I've a feeling that was when the funding from Bradford and Bingley started as well.
     
  6. I was at the European's at the Barbican when they announced the change. So whenever that was, was when I think they dropped the mills yet kept the socially acceptable 'black dyke' bit of the name ......
     
  7. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    That contest was held on 3rd May 1997. But they'd already competed at the Area that year without the "Mills".

    I see I misread the question a little - I was looking in my post above for the dropping of "John Foster", not "Mills". "Mills" does seem to have persisted until 1997; 1994 seems to have been when "John Foster" went.

    Incidentally, what were they doing announcing that at a contest that they weren't playing at?
     
  8. It was the evening gala concert. Ybs did cry of the celts, then dyke played Jupiter. Excellent gig.
     
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  9. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    I was there! They used three different formations as well: a very open V for 'Jupiter', a conventional layout for the second item (can't remember offhand what that was) and then moved in very tight for 'Deep Harmony'. Excellent evening all round.
     
  10. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Me too; if I remember correctly the second piece was "Year of the Dragon" - I recall Kevin Crockford particularly being on outstanding form, as well as Chris Jeans (I think) in the trom solo in the slow movement ...
    I remember the seating for "Jupiter" as well - not so much a 'V', but I do remember they spaced themselves out so as to occupy the entire stage space at the Barbican; there were individuals seated some six feet away from their section colleagues - breathtaking confidence!
     
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  11. YBS did a very well organised entry for cry of the celts, with players arriving just in time to play their entry, and it was excellent, but oh my word Jupiter was immense!
     
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  13. John Brooks

    John Brooks Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone. This is all very interesting. I hadn't realized before that there was a separation between the dropping of "Mills" and "John Foster". Shared memories of their playing around this time also adds to the discussion.
     

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