Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by skweeky, Jan 26, 2004.


do you practise out of the arban??

  1. yes

  2. no

  1. skweeky

    skweeky Member

    i personally practise out of the arban and find it very helpful but playing out of it on sop can sometimes be a bit tiring :?

    does anyone that plays an instrument other than a cornet find arban practise tiring or "out of their comfortable range"
  2. Farmer Giles

    Farmer Giles Member

    yes i do, but......

    i use the arban if i am looking to practice a certain aspect of my playing (e.g. triple tongueing).

    for the main i use H Clarke Technical Studies book as i find this more concise and less daunting but still (hopefully) giving the same results.

  3. horn1

    horn1 Member

    I never used to get the Arban, didn't really understand what everything was for. Now I find myself telling my students the same as I was told 'there's everything you'll ever need in there!'. I do use the Allan Vizzuti Trumpet books too though, they really are good!
  4. Vickitorious

    Vickitorious Active Member

    I always use the Arban for everything, apart from lip slurs then I use the How brass players do it book by John Ridgeonne
  5. spookybiking

    spookybiking Member

    arbans ok bout time it was updated with more helpful information an techniques
  6. eckyboy

    eckyboy Member

    I use it but find it repetitive at times although its maybe because I skip the awkward keys :oops:
    How brass players do it book by John Ridgeonne is one I used 20 years ago and is a great diaphram builder
  7. James McFadyen

    James McFadyen New Member

    U might wanna get in touch with those cloneing guys - they'd love to be able to build diaphrams! :wink:
  8. Hilary Mateer

    Hilary Mateer Member

    I do practice quite a lot out of the Arban but find that is does not cover the bottom of the range for Tuba and probably for Euphonium as well.

    I have got some BBb bass exercise books in Bass clef to practice from as well so the bottom end of the range is covered
  9. Okiedokie of Oz

    Okiedokie of Oz Active Member

    I find the Arban perfect near nearly all aspects of tuba playing, if you have the ability to make it so.

    The Arban was great for me, as the first tuba solos I did were actually for tenor horn, thus needing to push the upper register higher than most badns take tubas.

    Needing to develop sight reading? Arban is great. Hundreds of pages, you can't tell me you've played them ALL!!!!!!

    Transposition practice? Good one for you Mr Seedhouse. You know how it's meant to sound normally, now try transposing an Arban exercise that you like! Read it as Concert Treble, Eb Treble, take it up a 3rd, a fifth. Play it up (if your stupid) or down (if you have the lungs) an octave.

    OK, so it isn't specialist practice. I have other tuba and trombone books if I need to focus. But if I am out and about and feeling the need for a good blow on any instrument, the Arban is a practical text.
  10. Accidental

    Accidental Supporting Member

    does anyone that plays an instrument other than a cornet find arban practise tiring or "out of their comfortable range"[/quote]
    No, its not just cornet... but playing til you're tired, or out of your comfortable range, is a good thing - it'll only make your stamina and range better! 8)

    My Arban's so old and well used its starting to fall apart now. I tend to only use it for specific exercises/techniques now though.
  11. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Update the Arban? hmm... will have to raise M. Arban from the dead then as he died in 1889. :)

    I use the Arban, but supplement my practice with other method and study book such as:-
    Vizzutti 1,2
    Ridgeon (How Brass Players Do It!)
    Schlossberg (Daily Drills and Technical Studies for Trumpet)
    Smith (Lip Flexibility on the Trumpet)
    and occasionally, Caruso (Musical calisthenics for brass)

    I do the same routines on Cornet, Trumpet and Soprano, and yes they are a bit tough on Sop but have found them worthwhile.

    just my 2cents.....
  12. JamesResurgam

    JamesResurgam Member

    IMHO the Arban is the brass players’ bible; unfortunately it does not cover every aspect of modern brass playing. It does not cover extremes of register (top & pedal), flexibility, and keys. The other problem with it is there’s no explanation why and how one should practice the exercises.
    E.g. page 26 the dotted rhythm exercises. WHY: - to get the tongue in the right place and co-ordinate with fingers and chops. HOW: - No Gaps.

    It should be supplemented by the use of Charles Collin’s Lip Flexibilities (complete method) for register and flexibility.
    Then I would recommend Herbert Clarke Technical Studies and Walter Smith Top Tones. If you can play the Walter Smith Top Tones from cover to cover then there is not much wrong with your playing technically, and I would hope you have the quality of sound to go with it.

    I also have the French Arban, in three volumes hard back edition, which has a lot more; with a three week practice schedule before a solo competition, by Maurice Andre; expensive, but worth every penny.

    One disappointment is the fact that cornet players do not play the full register of the instrument i.e. the pedal register and high F to super C. The pedal register was played at the beginning of the twentieth century by many of Sousa’s great cornet players, Levy, Smith, Clarke etc.
  13. Rambo Chick

    Rambo Chick Member

    yes i play flugel, an instrument not so comfortable in the very high register, so it can get a bit tiring for me :?

    United co-op yorkshire
  14. Dave Euph

    Dave Euph Member

    I was "forced" into using the Vizutti Trumpet Method last September. I had the Arban, but I'd never really used it.

    I suppose forced is the wrong word, coerced maybe, but I highly recommend it.
  15. Lauradoll

    Lauradoll Active Member

    The arban is a standard classic. The Allen Vizutti books are also good. Basically there are loads of good tutor and technique books however some work for some, but not for others. Find what works for you and work round that.
  16. drummergurl

    drummergurl Active Member

    i dont coz im a percussionist and it doesnt help percussionists in any way that i can think of.
  17. JamesResurgam

    JamesResurgam Member


    i dont coz im a percussionist and it doesnt help percussionists in any way that i can think of.

    The only thing that will help you lass, is a hammer and a bag of nails. :oops:


    With apologies to my many friends in the percussion section
  18. blue euph

    blue euph Member

    I do use the Arbans every now and then. I have the Mantia one and the Bowman / Alessi edition which I've been using the last couple of years. I do transpose some of the excerises on sight, put them into tenor clef and down an octave to work the pedal range. Maybe someone can convince Steven Mead or somebody to come up with a more "modern" Arbans edition that would use the entire range of the euphonium and tuba and fix some of the nice typos that are in it.
  19. drummergurl

    drummergurl Active Member

    oh ur soooooo funny :?
  20. Dawnys_flug

    Dawnys_flug Member

    Same here!
    I was bought the Arban a few years ago when i was about 11 but found it very daunting because of the technicality of some of the exercises (and the sheer size of it!!! it broke my pretty red music stand!!! :cry: ) and simply skipped past the most important exercises and just played the ones i knew i could do the third time i went through them!
    But my teacher gave me just a few exercises a week from it and gradually i could see significant improvement in my technique and i've found that my range has also greatly increased!

    Can sometimes be boring but well worth it when you start to see the difference! :D

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