12 into 11 won't go

Discussion in 'General Sports Chat' started by Pythagoras, Aug 17, 2006.

  1. Pythagoras

    Pythagoras Active Member

    When Flintoff is fit what would your starting line up be for the ashes. Mine would be:

    Strauss (Cap)
    Trescothick
    Cook
    Pieterson
    Bell
    Flintoff
    Read
    Mahmood (or Jones if fit, or maybe Plunkett not sure)
    Harmison
    Hoggard
    Panesar
     
  2. Cantonian

    Cantonian Active Member

    Strauss (Capt)
    Trescothick
    Cook
    Pieterson
    Bell
    Flintoff
    Collingwood
    Read (or Jones)
    Hoggard
    Panesar
    Harmison

    I would get Collingwood to work on his bowling before arriving in Australia and Flintoff and Collingwood 'floating' in the order as I do not think that Pieterson and Flintoff bat well together.
     
  3. starperformer

    starperformer Member

    i really worry about this, the hiding we have been giving pakistan is very flattering but we are a shadow of the side from last year. compared with the class that aus have in most positions i think this could be a very harrowing experience - back to earth with a bump.

    Strauss - good bat but makes a rubbish captain and i think he has been worked out recently
    Trescothick - hopelessly out of form, may not even start
    Cook - can't play legspin and will get killed on tour
    Pieterson - ok but too cavalier for most situations
    Bell - i suspect he will get murdered on tour
    Flintoff - overhyped and will be underprepared. also a very mediocre skipper
    Read - can't bat, end of. good 'keeper though
    Mahmood - all over the shop. fodder.
    G. Jones - can't bat (at the moment) or catch
    Plunkett - bowls short, gets tonked. it's a recurring thing
    Harmison - awful away from home, can't be trusted
    Hoggard - dependable but will be a bit toothless on aussie tracks
    Panesar - can't field and will take stick. adds to long tail. love his bowling but its not the finished article
     
  4. bigcol

    bigcol Member

    Morning All - and my starting 11 for the first Ashes test is:

    Strauss
    Cook
    Bell
    Pieterson
    Collingwood
    Freddie
    Read
    Broad
    Hoggard
    Harmison
    Monty

    Tresco needs to do a Go Jo and go and find some form and confidence. If the Pakistani medium pacers have sussed him out, what will messers McGrath and Lee do?

    Additionally we need to take 20 wickets and protect Fred, so we must play 5 bowlers 3 + Fred is asking for trouble.
     
  5. bigcol

    bigcol Member

    Erm - West Indies 2004? 7-12?
     
  6. starperformer

    starperformer Member

    yeah, well i don't need to go back to 2004 to think of some terrible no-shows!
     
  7. bigcol

    bigcol Member

    Must admit he wasn't great in SA, but the WI pitches are similar to Australia so fingers crossed.
     
  8. starperformer

    starperformer Member

    the SA pitches are even more similar to australia, although thankfully i don't think the pitches were the main problem.

    he is still far too inconsistent and his confidence obviously takes a massive hit when he can't unwind from a day of none-for-plenty with a newcy brown and a bag of scraps
     
  9. Will the Sec

    Will the Sec Active Member

    I'm available for the Ashes.
     
  10. 2nd man down

    2nd man down Moderator Staff Member


    okaaaaaaaaay...
     
  11. Trescothick
    Cook
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Flintoff
    Bell
    Read
    Broad
    Harmison
    Hoggard
    Panesar

    I wouldn't even bother taking Strauss - as has been mentioned previously, he has been found out as an international skipper, and as such, his batting has suffered. Also, my captain would be Trescothick, not Flintoff - just how much pressure do we want to put on him, seeing as though he ain't got enough, what with being our "go-to" bowler and batsman who will try to see the innings through.....
    Antony Macgrath (Yorkshire) would be another useful addition - very similar to Collingwood, but can bat a touch better.....

    Andy
     

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