1000th post and some comments

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by tubafran, Aug 7, 2006.

  1. tubafran

    tubafran Active Member

    As this will be my 1000th post I thought I’d try to make some salient points about banding and in particular what I feel about it at the moment.

    I can honestly say that in the 30 plus years I’ve been playing in bands I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it. I’ve meet some very nice people, I’ve had the opportunity to visit and play in other countries and all over the UK, it really has been a pleasure to be involved in a hobby which can generate so much enjoyment. I’ve particularly enjoyed getting stuck in to organising stuff at Killamarsh especially the tours; I’ve arranged our trips to Belgium, Holland and the Czech Republic. Last year we also organised a training band workshop and we now have a thriving Training Band which is really about the future of the band. We also arranged an Entertainments contest which unfortunately cost the band a few bob but I know that everyone (apart from Geordie Colin) enjoyed taking part.

    In the two years I’ve been on tMP I’ve had the additional opportunity to meet like minded people, play with other bands and call on numerous deputy players to help out my band; so to John and tMP – thanks for that.

    Where do I go from here? In respect of my current thoughts on banding a perennial problem is the issue of getting “committed” players out for summer jobs and whilst it seems that we’ve been playing every weekend since the beginning of July the turn-out for my band has been poor and if it hadn’t been for the deputy players and friends we could not have done these jobs. So, on the one hand it’s a problem but then someone comes along and helps you out. Also, a big thank you if you’ve helped us out and a big thanks to anyone else that helps bands out at this time of year.

    Although I have contested with BBSBB I won’t pass any comment on contesting as such. Many people will know my long established views on this part of banding but I will say having taken part it’s not changed my thoughts.

    On a negative point I’m concerned about the “takers” in banding those that expect everything to be done for them and don’t put anything back in. OK so you turn up and play but just ask yourself what else do you add to yours and everyone else’s banding experience? I’ve been on the committee at Killamarsh for nearly 30 years and in all that time I’ve had to deal with a number of problems that you shouldn’t have in banding. Why can’t people turn up, take part and just enjoy what we do? Make music and hopefully educate and entertain people. When you read about bands that have members taking them to court over whether they’ve resigned or not I despair. For goodness sake it’s meant to be a recreation not an extension of the working day.

    Despite some of these negative issues I still enjoy playing and as example I will comment on KSB performance at Newark Castle yesterday. The band managed to turn out 18 members and we had 7 deputy players to boost our numbers – it was an excellent venue, 600 or 700 people sat there all afternoon to hear us and we received numerous complimentary comments on our performance. The conductor was even stopped outside Pizza Express a couple of hours later by an audience member who was glowing in his comments on our choice of programme and performance. That’s what bandings about for me – bring more of that on and sod the rest.

    Oh one thing I haven't mentioned and that's the social side - what a fine time we have?

    For anyone interested Killamarsh and friends from Dronfield and Stannington will be out in Sheffield this Saturday night (12/08/2006) and we'll be meeting in the Devonshire Cat (Devonshire Quarter in centre of town) at 8pm - come along and meet us.
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2006
  2. brasscrest

    brasscrest Active Member

    Congratulations on your 1000th post!

    I, for one, always look forward to your posts - they are generally thoughful and informative. :tup
  3. alanl58

    alanl58 Member

    What a lovely post, and how lucky are the bands that you play in.

    I was hoping that you would have an answer to the "committment" problem, but this seems to be a general malaise of the society that we live in today: "Me" and "Now"! I am afraid that no amount of government initiatives such as CSV will replace the values handed down by parents and school, but which today seem to be considered "uncool".

    Never mind, our band, together with deputies, and our thanks to them, played on a village green to an audience of no more than a hundred last night, and the vicar commented at the end: "When you can see and hear things like this, you know that there is not a lot wrong with "England"!

  4. DublinBass

    DublinBass Supporting Member

    I think Fran's 1000th post is a special milestone as probably not one has been in a random thread game. They have all been put in with careful insight and value.
  5. postie

    postie Member

    Well done and congrats on making your 1000th Post. Good luck with everything you do and I am sure I will bump into you for a chat soon.
  6. WoodenFlugel

    WoodenFlugel Moderator Staff Member

    Well done on you 1000th post Francis, and its good to see that you've used it in a thought provoking way. I seem to remember my 1000th post was something about cheese...:rolleyes: :-?

    As for your thoughts, I agree fully with them all. I see the "commitment thing" as one of the biggest issues that face our movement now - along with getting youth interested, and they both sort of interlink.

    I've noticed that fewer and fewer players are prepared to give up their time fully to a band these days - and it seems to be getting worse year-on-year. I've heard of players dropping out of bands, or taking a sabbatical, because they don't enjoy "summer banding" or doing this job, or going to that contest. I suppose on the face of it there is nothing wrong with that - after all we are all supposed to be doing this for enjoyment, but when I were a lad we were told that you took part in everything a band did as it was all part of the experience. The diversity of the gigs is what has kept me in banding where I have gradually dropped out of every other sort of playing I did when I was younger.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't have any axe to grind with people who only do selective jobs but my concern is for the survival of bands and the movement in general. If we all only wanted to do contests how would our bands afford to fund our contest obsession? There have always been people who drift in and out of bands - part time players if you like, but I'm worried that more and more people are taking this option. If we're not careful there will be precious few bands left for these part-timers to play for. I guess its a combination of increasingly busy and some would say selfish lifestyles, and the instant gratification we all seem to want these days. After all it takes a long time to learn to play an instrument. I've been playing now for 25 years or more, and I'm still learning. A test peice can take up to several weeks of intensive rehearsal - in which time 5 people have been evicted from Big Brother and 6 people have been let back in, and we're still no closer to finding out what the heck Lost is all about. :biggrin:

    Anyway I've rambled for far too long, and in truth I don't know what the answer to the current commitment problem is. If anyone does, please feel free to post it here (after you've run through the sections and beaten the whole brass band world of course).

    Congratulations Francis, and here's to another 1000 - however long that takes. I hope that when the next milestone comes around for you both you and I are still enjoying our fantastic, infuriating, sociable, but most of all real hobby as much as we are now.
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  7. Jan H

    Jan H Moderator Staff Member

    Maybe you can think of something for your upcoming 5000th post, Ian ;)

    Fran, congratulations on your excellent 1000th post...
  8. Shaggy

    Shaggy New Member

    Christ almighty, post number one thousand was it? well, thats five minutes of my life I'll never have again having to read it.

    Whats this **** up on Saturday then? Nobody tells me owt!
  9. TheMusicMan

    TheMusicMan tMP Founder Staff Member

    Have to say Francis that this is a superb post - made with thought, consideration and passion. It was a pleasure to meet you at Wychavon last year, and it has been a pleasure to have you on tMP and for you to reach a milestone of 1000 posts. I look forward to the next few thousand posts too!!

    Thanks for being one of our members, and especially for the first class example you set in how to post and debate here on tMP.

  10. Shaggy

    Shaggy New Member

    Can you all remember being at school on a friday afternoon? its the last lesson of the day, the teacher has told you to put your chair up on the table for the cleaners to do their stuff over the weekend. That one seemingly insigificant act tells you that school is over for two whole days! and on this most rare and thrilling of occasions, the whole class shares an unspoken sense of conspiracy and amusement in their precious piece of secret knowledge.Only seconds to go till the bell, and freedom. Surely nothing can go wrong now....and then.....the silence between you and the bell of liberation is shattered, a hand goes up and you hear these words from the desk right in front of the teacher...." Excuse me Sir, is their any home work?"Francis......thats YOU that is! No one likes "teachers pet" do they?
  11. vonny

    vonny Member

    Wow your 1000th post! I really enjoyed reading your last post...(as I do all of them)
    There is another thing Francias I was thinking maybe you have too much to say ;)

    Give me a shout if you require my services in the future and if there are maintainance works on the line I'll fly :D

    Yvonne x

    P.S. I think I must be a quiet individual as I haven't even reached my 400th post yet:rolleyes:
  12. tubafran

    tubafran Active Member

    Thank you Lady, Gentlemen and Shaggy for your replies.

    Honestly, Shaggy if you'd known me at school that wasn't me - I had to have an extra year in the 6th form to be able to leave with some half decent grades to get to "poly";) . You of course are more than welcome to attend our shindig this Saturday and I'll even provide you with a spare bedroom for an overnight stay - anything else you'll have to find yourself:wink: .

    Pat - Random Threads? what's that about? I think I'll look that up and get my next 1000 posts on there then.
  13. Shaggy

    Shaggy New Member

    Mods....an apology. Please accept my apology for complaining publically about the pulling of one of my posts. The post has now been restored by the Mods and I thank them for that. I moaned in public about my grievous loss of a much cherished post quite unfairly and unreasonably, so it is only fair that I apologise in public as well.

    Be warned! never post after a night out with "Stella" I learnt the hard way.
  14. geordiecolin

    geordiecolin Active Member

    ...just cos it was the biggest fix ever known to man.....!! ;)

    Congrats on your 1000 posts, you've nearly overtaken me, you big BOC you!

    Enjoy your night out in the Devvy Cat, an establishment much missed by myself although I have found a similar place in Newcastle called Tilley's Bar, but to be honest it pales in comparison. For a start it doesn't do bacon and brie burgers nor has a beer menu.... Have a pint for me!

    PS If you ever need a timpist (Incapable of reading bass clef and only discovering this fact seconds before the start of a concert), a cowbeller (Capable of playing 5 beats in the bar in African Funk) or a bass player (specialisation in playing Caravan unfeasibly fast), you know where I am!
  15. Pythagoras

    Pythagoras Active Member

    Still haven't recovered from that Caravan.

    Do you remeber at that contest the other 2 bands, who both unbelievably beat us, had the same name and the wron euph soloist got up to get the prize.
  16. Pythagoras

    Pythagoras Active Member

    Sorry I'm missing 2 jobs Francis!

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